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UPDATED SUCCESS!! Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« on: September 14, 2021, 01:19:55 PM »
I got my Buck. Check post later in this thread Post #33.

New ish bow hunter going into my 3rd season. I was able to fill my first tag last year on a doe.

This year I have set my sights on taking a blacktail on my parents property in island county. I know there are a few deer coming through the property and have had a game cam out for the past few weeks near an apple and peach tree that have been dropping lots of fruit and I have seen deer there almost every night.

I caught this nice (at least for me) 3 point on a few occasions, and I am pretty sure its the same deer I got on cam last year. The only time I have ever gotten a pic of this thing during shooting hours was on Halloween last year right at 11:00 am.

I have a multi season permit this year so I have more opportunity to hunt and will have a chance to hunt during the rut

I am trying to put a plan together to bag this buck. Right now I have my cam out in a clearing I know they go through and have someone drop a few apples in the area every few days to make sure they continue coming through. I will be in the area sporadically on the weekends throughout the entire season, and will plan on being there as much as possible during the rut.

Other then putting in the time and being in the right place at the right time any suggestions on how to increase my chances?

Should I continue dropping apples in the area?
Is there any way to draw the deer out during shooting hours other then just waiting for the rut and hope he slips up?
Once the rut hits should I try rattling antlers, use doe urine, or try bleat calls?

When it comes down to it I will be happy bagging anything, including a doe. My wife and I really enjoyed the venison from last year and we are just about out.

Sorry for the bad quality pic. I will be checking the cam this weekend and will update with better pics if I have some.
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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2021, 09:47:06 PM »
I’m a new hunter as well - 2 years of deer hunting. Last year I had bucks on camera at night. However at the end of October the rut happened. This meant that the bucks were chasing the Does around at night and so the does started to eat during the daytime as they had less time to eat at night. This in turn meant the bucks started coming out during the day. So if you have does coming in as well the same thing might happen.

Second thing is depending on when he first comes to the apples you might be able to backtrack and ambush him in between his bedding area and the apples. It works even better if you know where he is bedded because then you can just hunt him in his bed. If you are set on killing this bucks keep the apples out - that is if does are also feeding from the apples. This will hopefully keep this buck in the area unless a bigger buck pushes him out. Because he will be interested in breeding the does.

Again I’m new to hunting and have yet to bag a deer. However I experimented with bait piles last year. Try putting out corn, unless you have a free or cheap source of apples. Corn is generally cheaper and so can save you some money.

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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2021, 09:13:33 AM »
What do you mean you can hunt straight through the rut with the multi season tag? You understand your still restricted to the general season correct? Which means you can’t hunt the rut.

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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2021, 10:42:47 AM »
When does the rut happen in your area? The deer around me start the rut during general firearm. And so can be hunted during the rut with a general MF tag or a multi season permit.

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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2021, 11:14:57 AM »
When does the rut happen in your area? The deer around me start the rut during general firearm. And so can be hunted during the rut with a general MF tag or a multi season permit.

Early November. They are “starting” to show interest in late October and are “ending” in late November but in general we don’t get the hunt “the” rut.

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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2021, 11:26:50 AM »
For me the peak rut for blacktails was the week of the 23rd last year. I have a buck mating on camera that date. And the only picture in the day I have of him in that time period are from that week.

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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2021, 11:31:58 AM »
I'm just gonna say it.
Your at the point on no return....
The hardest part of the quest,from game cam to freezer.
I would offer advise ,but I'm still trying to figure it out.
Goodluck.👌👍👌👍👌
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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2021, 02:04:47 PM »
What do you mean you can hunt straight through the rut with the multi season tag? You understand your still restricted to the general season correct? Which means you can’t hunt the rut.



I hunt Archery and got a milti-season permit. So I can hunt during any season with any legal weapon. Usually with archery and without a multi permit you get early archery in September and Late Archery in December so you can't hunt during the rut with a standard archery tag.

I’m a new hunter as well - 2 years of deer hunting. Last year I had bucks on camera at night. However at the end of October the rut happened. This meant that the bucks were chasing the Does around at night and so the does started to eat during the daytime as they had less time to eat at night. This in turn meant the bucks started coming out during the day. So if you have does coming in as well the same thing might happen.

Second thing is depending on when he first comes to the apples you might be able to backtrack and ambush him in between his bedding area and the apples. It works even better if you know where he is bedded because then you can just hunt him in his bed. If you are set on killing this bucks keep the apples out - that is if does are also feeding from the apples. This will hopefully keep this buck in the area unless a bigger buck pushes him out. Because he will be interested in breeding the does.

Again I’m new to hunting and have yet to bag a deer. However I experimented with bait piles last year. Try putting out corn, unless you have a free or cheap source of apples. Corn is generally cheaper and so can save you some money.


Thanks for the info. I need to get some more cams out and see if I can figure out the route they take and where they are bedding. The challenge I have is I am on private land so I am limited to the property lines. I am guessing they are bedding in the deep brush I cant get to or hunt them in either way. Good advice on the corn. I have tons of apples but they will all be fallen in the next few weeks and I will be out of bait. I will try some corn.
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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2021, 07:14:58 PM »
DilleyTech is correct.  MS tag gets you  archery and Muzzy seasons and the Modern Firearm season that all MF tag holders hunt (mid-oct - Haloween) plus 4 days in mid-November. Multiseason tag also allows you to hunt the late season by archery or ML depending on the unit and the dates.  You must to have a "quality" hunt tag or similar to hunt the first two weeks of November.  Technically, the peak of the rut is somewhere around the 10th of Nov with some variation every year.  Peak of the rut though biologically means the point-in-time when the majority of the doe are receptive to and actually doing the nasty.  If you read scientific papers regarding the issue, this is the time they are referring to when they state "peak of the rut".

Hunter's here and everywhere from what I 've observed, consider the rut to be when the bucks are chasing the doe hardest up until the time that they are not leaving the doe they are with until they breed her.  They will stand near or besider her in a stupor and follow the doe wherever she goes (most cases.  Bigger cagier bucks may push them to a hidden/safe place)  Bucks are very vulnerable between the time chasing starts and peak of the rut occurs.  Once the peak occurs, they are not moving much at all till their current doe has been bred.   Anyways, your best dates translate to the last week maybe, and last four days, for sure of October.  Those are the best dates to be in the woods.  The next best days are the four days in Late Buck that occurs in mid-Nov.

Enough of that noise.... regarding your questions, apples are a great draw for all deer in the early season.  Bucks tend to stick to their nocturnal behaviors until they start to chase and often even late -  these bucks will only hit the apples at night (IMHO).  You could train a deer with apples to come in during the day but without daily feedings over a long period of time, the chances that a buck older than a year or so will come into feed on apples in the middle of the day is almost nil unless they are already comfortable being around humans. Repetative baiting of doe with apples could potentially have them coming in to eat apples during daylight, and if the timing is right (late October with an interested buck on her tail), you might catch a buck following a doe in during daylight.  Not a high quality bet in my mind.  Years and years of game camming deer in my back yard, where I have five apple trees,I have has only captured daylight bucks between the 8th and 20th of November.  Thousands of videos.  Very few bucks - maybe five or six.  Again, in my mind, this is a low percentage hunt.

So the question is, considering you have access to a spot,, how do you hunt it.  Deer are creatures that live on edges.  If there is a brush row or significant patch of brush anywhere on the property, then expect bucks will use that to stay as hidden as possible as they travel just inside the break between brush and open space.  They are like vampires.  They want nothing to do with being exposed in their environment.  Darkness is preferred.  So anyways, if the property is all grass with some apple trees or no real hiding or travel area for deer during daylight houts, I'd hunt somewhere else.  You need to hunt where the deer are, which is in the shadows. 

Rattling and grunting are great tactics to use in the woods, or at least along an edge where two distinctly different terrain or flora types meet - Alder/fir. forest/meadow, cliffs/lowlands.  Can you use it to call a buck into a spot where he would not normally go....?  Naaa, except for the rare occurance where the unexpected happens.  You don't want to base you hunt plans on luck bringing bucks to you. 

Hope that helps.  Good luck!
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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2021, 08:58:05 AM »
DilleyTech is correct.  MS tag gets you  archery and Muzzy seasons and the Modern Firearm season that all MF tag holders hunt (mid-oct - Haloween) plus 4 days in mid-November. Multiseason tag also allows you to hunt the late season by archery or ML depending on the unit and the dates.  You must to have a "quality" hunt tag or similar to hunt the first two weeks of November.  Technically, the peak of the rut is somewhere around the 10th of Nov with some variation every year.  Peak of the rut though biologically means the point-in-time when the majority of the doe are receptive to and actually doing the nasty.  If you read scientific papers regarding the issue, this is the time they are referring to when they state "peak of the rut".

Hunter's here and everywhere from what I 've observed, consider the rut to be when the bucks are chasing the doe hardest up until the time that they are not leaving the doe they are with until they breed her.  They will stand near or besider her in a stupor and follow the doe wherever she goes (most cases.  Bigger cagier bucks may push them to a hidden/safe place)  Bucks are very vulnerable between the time chasing starts and peak of the rut occurs.  Once the peak occurs, they are not moving much at all till their current doe has been bred.   Anyways, your best dates translate to the last week maybe, and last four days, for sure of October.  Those are the best dates to be in the woods.  The next best days are the four days in Late Buck that occurs in mid-Nov.

Enough of that noise.... regarding your questions, apples are a great draw for all deer in the early season.  Bucks tend to stick to their nocturnal behaviors until they start to chase and often even late -  these bucks will only hit the apples at night (IMHO).  You could train a deer with apples to come in during the day but without daily feedings over a long period of time, the chances that a buck older than a year or so will come into feed on apples in the middle of the day is almost nil unless they are already comfortable being around humans. Repetative baiting of doe with apples could potentially have them coming in to eat apples during daylight, and if the timing is right (late October with an interested buck on her tail), you might catch a buck following a doe in during daylight.  Not a high quality bet in my mind.  Years and years of game camming deer in my back yard, where I have five apple trees,I have has only captured daylight bucks between the 8th and 20th of November.  Thousands of videos.  Very few bucks - maybe five or six.  Again, in my mind, this is a low percentage hunt.

So the question is, considering you have access to a spot,, how do you hunt it.  Deer are creatures that live on edges.  If there is a brush row or significant patch of brush anywhere on the property, then expect bucks will use that to stay as hidden as possible as they travel just inside the break between brush and open space.  They are like vampires.  They want nothing to do with being exposed in their environment.  Darkness is preferred.  So anyways, if the property is all grass with some apple trees or no real hiding or travel area for deer during daylight houts, I'd hunt somewhere else.  You need to hunt where the deer are, which is in the shadows. 

Rattling and grunting are great tactics to use in the woods, or at least along an edge where two distinctly different terrain or flora types meet - Alder/fir. forest/meadow, cliffs/lowlands.  Can you use it to call a buck into a spot where he would not normally go....?  Naaa, except for the rare occurance where the unexpected happens.  You don't want to base you hunt plans on luck bringing bucks to you. 

Hope that helps.  Good luck!

Thanks for the info and advice. The property is 5 acres with about 4 acres mostly clear and completely surrounded by dense 15 - 20 year old alder forest on one side and older growth ferns and large cedars and maples on the other side. I got the okay from a few of the neighboring property owners, mostly in the older growth to hunt. The alder forest is full of game trails but just about impossible to get through. I have found multiple trails about 10 yards inside the brush line around my parents property in the area I can hunt. Sounds like my best bet would be to camp out on these trails at first and last light and hope something comes through, and if I do that during or around the rut then there is a chance I could catch a buck chasing down a doe. Apples or bait could be useful to catch them on cam and if I do it often enough possibly train them to come through the specific trail I am on more often then they would otherwise.

I have also heard a lot about the 10 - 11 AM time frame being a good time to catch deer stretching their legs or getting a mid morning snack. So I am thinking I will camp out on the trail early and late, then still hunt around 9:30 - 11:30 AM to see if I can find where they bed.


I will be on the property this weekend. I will report back any trail cam pictures or updates.

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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2021, 11:28:22 PM »
Doe will get up and feed somewhere around 11:00 am regardless of the season.  It makes no sense to me why.  :dunno:  It seems that should change with the timing of sunrise.  Regardless, that's what I've observed over the years.  They will will often move around quite a bit to feed, sometimes a hundred or more yards, kids in tow, before bedding again. 

Bucks on the other hand - not so much so.  I believe that at this time of year, older bucks will stay bedded almost all day.  They will often stand, stretch, scratch, pee, and maybe grab a bite to eat from their immediate surroundings. Then they bed again and stay there till sometime around sunset. This is a classic setup for those hunting clearcuts with a firearm.  Glass all day till something moves, then shoot fast. In your spot though,  I'd guess that if you're not hunting in the immediate vicinity of their beds, then you will never see them move.   You never know what a small spike or forkie might do - that's a crapshoot.  You might get lucky.  At/near the end of Sept., the bucks may start to get the itch and move bedding areas closer to where doe frequent.  There's a ton of deer on Whidbey and probably Camano as well.  That increases your odds greatly.

Odds are that any bucks near that property are bedding in the old growth.  Doe have no/few problems spending a lot of time in Alder.  It's just not dark enough to make bucks feel safe this time of year though.  Darkness equals safety to them.  Anyways, hunting inside the edges and steering clear of the open areas will give you your best opportunity on that property. Archery for BTs is tough.  Good luck!
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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2021, 01:17:06 PM »
Doe will get up and feed somewhere around 11:00 am regardless of the season.  It makes no sense to me why.  :dunno:  It seems that should change with the timing of sunrise.  Regardless, that's what I've observed over the years.  They will will often move around quite a bit to feed, sometimes a hundred or more yards, kids in tow, before bedding again. 

Bucks on the other hand - not so much so.  I believe that at this time of year, older bucks will stay bedded almost all day.  They will often stand, stretch, scratch, pee, and maybe grab a bite to eat from their immediate surroundings. Then they bed again and stay there till sometime around sunset. This is a classic setup for those hunting clearcuts with a firearm.  Glass all day till something moves, then shoot fast. In your spot though,  I'd guess that if you're not hunting in the immediate vicinity of their beds, then you will never see them move.   You never know what a small spike or forkie might do - that's a crapshoot.  You might get lucky.  At/near the end of Sept., the bucks may start to get the itch and move bedding areas closer to where doe frequent.  There's a ton of deer on Whidbey and probably Camano as well.  That increases your odds greatly.

Odds are that any bucks near that property are bedding in the old growth.  Doe have no/few problems spending a lot of time in Alder.  It's just not dark enough to make bucks feel safe this time of year though.  Darkness equals safety to them.  Anyways, hunting inside the edges and steering clear of the open areas will give you your best opportunity on that property. Archery for BTs is tough.  Good luck!

Again thanks for the advice and info. Spent some time on the property this weekend, saw a nice buck on my way to the property Friday night which got be excited for the weekend but not a lot of action in the woods. There is one doe that comes through on the regular and I caught it on cam during shooting hours a few times, so that might be a good option to full the freezer. No other bucks on Cam but I know they are around.

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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2021, 06:47:42 PM »
That's a good looking buck!  He's got some shoulders on him. 
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2021, 07:06:34 PM »
I would find the thickest crap close to where this buck has been pictured. And look for small clearing with a little opening in the thick that gets daylight. And glass, glass, glass. Checking out every flicker of light for an ear or a tail.
It can be tedious but it also pays off. Blacktail Bucks do not travel like Mule deer do. They stay near a "Home Zone" that offers easy access to multiple feed sources. That "Home Zone" can be the most unlikely places, as long as it is thick.
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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2021, 10:11:36 AM »
I would find the thickest crap close to where this buck has been pictured. And look for small clearing with a little opening in the thick that gets daylight. And glass, glass, glass. Checking out every flicker of light for an ear or a tail.
It can be tedious but it also pays off. Blacktail Bucks do not travel like Mule deer do. They stay near a "Home Zone" that offers easy access to multiple feed sources. That "Home Zone" can be the most unlikely places, as long as it is thick.

Haha it's all thick crap. Can't even get through most areas, and I definitely can't get through quietly. But I do see a lot of deer sign all through the thickest areas.

In the area I am hunting there is an area roughly 4 acres of older growth trees and with sword fern covering the ground. This entire area is easy to navigate. There is an old logging road that goes along this area. One side old growth and ferns, the other side thick sticker bushes that go for 1/4 mile or so up hill. I have my cam on the logging road. I catch them on cam almost nightly when I have apples out, and every 3 - 4 days when I don't have bait out. So I don't think think it's one of their main paths but they are definitely close.

Any thoughts on weed wacking a trail through the thick stuff to get access? do you think this would affect the deer? I always hear they like the thickest areas, but I have also heard they like to take the path of least resistance. I am wondering if I find a heavily used trail I can clear a path to get access to a shooting lane on the trail. Or just clear the trail a bit so I can follow it easier without making a ton of noise. I am just not sure how clearing the trail will affect the deer.

I also need to get a few more cams up. After working one cam I am seeing how having multiple up would help figure out the direction, path, and timing and give me a better shot at finding them during shooting hrs.   



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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2021, 02:48:43 PM »
Boyd Iversons Blacktail Trophy tactics2, or the original. The book is getting hard to find.

IMO I would look for a good place to put up a tree stand at the edge of the brush line where the firs meet the elder patch. Hopefully near an entrance  to the trees. Did a good tree or 2  NOW, and any branches that may be in your way. I think after the season is over I would scout out 3 trees and cut branches to make longer clear shooting lanes. This is best accomplished with 2 people. You in the stand and one with a pole limber. Private property and that unit is worth an investment in time.
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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2021, 09:22:56 PM »
All in all, iit sounds like you're well on your way to a successful hunt.  Seems like you're thinking about possibilities or options, which is good.  Being flexible while hunting and changing tactics as the situation dictates is important.  Don't get stuck doing the same thing in the same spot day after day.  The deer know you were there hours after you've left.  Invade their space too often and they will minimize their daylight activities and movement in order to remain safe.

My thoughts on clearing trails - best done in summer in a normal situation.  On Whidbey/Camano, the deer are very accustomed to humans living close by and smelling humans often.  You can probably get away with more intrusion that would normally be the case out in the big forests. That being said, you need to decide whether clearing brush is really a good idea.  The more open a spot is, the less a buck will use it.  As Special T said, clearing a couple shooting lanes is preferable to going hog wild and really opeining things up.   

If you're hunting the big timber with ferns everywhere, move very little and very slowly.  Deer love to bed in the ferns 'cause they hide the deer incredibly well.  Glass everywhere when you're hidden.  Look at every possible hiding area for an idication a deer is close.  Fiinding white face patches, horizontal back lines, round rumps, twitching ears etc. can magically make a whole deer appear where moments before you would have sworn there was none.  Also, assuming those "sticker" bushes are blackberries, then they are likely one of these deer's favorite places to eat.  They eat blackberries probably more than any other browse if they are available (or they are at least, among their most favorite foods)  Hanging close to these spots will likely attract doe(and  presumably the bucks following them in late Oct.)  Obvious signs of heavy browsing should already be easy to find if they're using them frequently.

Any and all of the edges (forest/brush, brush/opening etc.) are likely places to encounter a deer  You might want to refrain from getting into that brush if it's too thick.  Making a lot of noise as you hunt is no good.  You've got vid. confirmation that the deer are crossing back and forth across the old road.  Often times it's better to sit tight and wait for something to happen.  As late October gets closer, the deer will (hopefully) be moving a lot more than now.  The last week or so of October should hopefully have some bucks chasing doe around.     Those last 3 - 5 days of that month are when you should spend every opportunity in the woods.  Your chances of scoring go way up.  Keep dad throwing the apples out for as long as he will put up with it.  That should help too. 

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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2021, 05:38:30 AM »
Give him a few years to grow, he might get old and stupid then.

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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2021, 03:19:30 PM »
Damn. Got to the property late yesterday evening. Had about 15 minutes of shooting light. Found a large doe, smaller doe, and a fawn munching on some peach leaves on some branches I trimmed the other day. Got within 40 yards of the large doe. Decided to not take a shot because I felt too rushed and was right at the brink of it being too dark. I know I made the right choice waiting but Damn it was close. I won’t be able to hunt the property for a few weeks so I have my sights set on the pre rut and possibly using my shotgun instead of the bow.

Planning on putting out some more cams to get a better idea where and when the deer are moving. Thinking about trying a mineral lick to see if that attracts anything to a good shooting area, and I might mess with some estrus urine and calls during the pre rut.

I see this all as an investment. The property isn’t going anywhere and either are the deer. I am wanting to fill the freezer so hopefully I will have some luck during mf season.

 

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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2021, 03:30:28 PM »
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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2021, 08:02:09 PM »
Be patient and wait , skip the Does until the last day as there’s a late modern at Thanksgiving, ive shot a lot of nice bucks on the islands at that time and I f you’re are hunting the end of October try rattling you might be surprised

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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2021, 09:00:21 PM »
Be patient and wait , skip the Does until the last day as there’s a late modern at Thanksgiving, ive shot a lot of nice bucks on the islands at that time and I f you’re are hunting the end of October try rattling you might be surprised

I second that notion.  Rattling and/or grunting on occasion create unepected action. 
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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2021, 10:43:00 PM »
Now that bow is over a and you likely what to wait for rifle... you need to hunt trees. I would take a  climber or ladder and go check out potential spots. Use an Arial pic or 2. Find one with and without leaves. Half the time with tree stands the hard part is finding the right tree
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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2021, 02:17:03 PM »
I live on Whidbey Island and the big bucks here are very nocturnal and stay in the thickest jungle they can find.  They don't get big on this island for being stupid. 

On the island it's all a waiting game.  You'll probably have to be in a position near darkness just before legal shooting light is over.  All the decent bucks I have killed on this island over the last 30 years have all be in the waning hours of light just before legal shooting hours end.

I've taken bucks during the day and in the mornings.  But the big mo-fo's come out at night. You just have to hope one screws up and hits his nightly routine a tad earlier than normal.

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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2021, 02:20:29 PM »
I live on Whidbey Island and the big bucks here are very nocturnal and stay in the thickest jungle they can find.  They don't get big on this island for being stupid. 

On the island it's all a waiting game.  You'll probably have to be in a position near darkness just before legal shooting light is over.  All the decent bucks I have killed on this island over the last 30 years have all be in the waning hours of light just before legal shooting hours end.

I've taken bucks during the day and in the mornings.  But the big mo-fo's come out at night. You just have to hope one screws up and hits his nightly routine a tad earlier than normal.

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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2021, 02:25:13 PM »
I live on Whidbey Island and the big bucks here are very nocturnal and stay in the thickest jungle they can find.  They don't get big on this island for being stupid. 

On the island it's all a waiting game.  You'll probably have to be in a position near darkness just before legal shooting light is over.  All the decent bucks I have killed on this island over the last 30 years have all be in the waning hours of light just before legal shooting hours end.

I've taken bucks during the day and in the mornings.  But the big mo-fo's come out at night. You just have to hope one screws up and hits his nightly routine a tad earlier than normal.

Good luck!

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We've done that with limited success.  Lots and lots of private land and no access.  Shotguns only during modern season, so you need to anchor them where they stand (neck shot) so they don't run on to private you can't access.  Lots of non-hunting types on the island that will refuse you access to a downed animal.

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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2021, 09:02:19 AM »
I live on Whidbey Island and the big bucks here are very nocturnal and stay in the thickest jungle they can find.  They don't get big on this island for being stupid. 

On the island it's all a waiting game.  You'll probably have to be in a position near darkness just before legal shooting light is over.  All the decent bucks I have killed on this island over the last 30 years have all be in the waning hours of light just before legal shooting hours end.

I've taken bucks during the day and in the mornings.  But the big mo-fo's come out at night. You just have to hope one screws up and hits his nightly routine a tad earlier than normal.

Good luck!

Gary

Thanks for the advice Gary. I have such a hard time seeing through my bow sight in low light. The area I hunt is in a valley surrounded with dense forest so I feel like it gets dark a half hour or so earlier then areas outside of the valley. Ill be hunting with the shot gun during mf season so it will be a little easier in low light situations. Its so frustrating driving around the island and seeing deer left and right, then when I get into the woods they disappear.....

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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2021, 10:40:26 AM »
I did not think anyone ws producing this book anymore but found this. Not  horrible price.

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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2021, 10:59:59 AM »
I had a big lowland buck I was hunting about 10 years ago. I chased him for 4 years and never did get him, fairly certain he died of old age. Outside of the rut their home range is very small, I had him pegged to feeding areas (nighttime only), a bedding area (alder thicket), and a rut zone he’d visit October 25th thru October 30th. After the 30th he was a ghost that wouldn’t see until the following spring.

One spring I went into the bedding area and set a treestand and cleared two trails for access depending on the wind, then cleared some shooting lanes from the stand. I didn’t go back until the rifle opener and hunted that stand every third day from 9am until 2pm for two weeks. I saw a lot of deer and some nice bucks, but one day on the way in I bumped a bedded buck 30 yards from my stand. Still am convinced that was the buck and that particular year he was a dandy.

I’ve never nailed down how to kill a targeted mature blacktail in his bedding area. They live there their entire life and know every tree, bush and stump. For me it’s the pinnacle of my hunting to harvest a mature targeted blacktail in his bedding area outside of the rut.

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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2021, 07:26:29 PM »
Hey P_M_clean -  what are you shooting in that shotgun?  Hopefully not buckshot....
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Re: Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2021, 07:45:57 PM »
If you’re trying to kill a mature bt buck right you need to be set up close to his bedding area, and only hunt it with perfect wind. They just don’t move much before dark, if your to far from his bed in a travel corridor he won’t get to you until it’s dark.
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Re: UPDATED SUCCESS!! Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2021, 09:32:03 AM »
Success!

I didn't think I would get an opportunity to get in the woods over the weekend but plans changed and I made it happen. I was planning on taking out my bow but my dad had his grandfathers 12 ga and some slugs so I decided to give that a try. Looks like great grandfather's shotgun is good luck.

Got into the woods a little after first light. Check my cam and see a doe had been there about a hour prior and a nice 3 point buck around 3:00 am. I tried some deer grunting for the first time, sit and waited and saw / heard nothing. Decide to go for a little hike to see if I can find anything. I am thinking I have no chance of finding deer at this point with how loud I was bashing through the brush. I come to a more open area full of sword ferns and jump a small doe out of its bed. I actually lift my gun and consider shooting the doe but decide against it. I follow the doe for 10 - 15 minutes as it circles back to where I originally jumped it. I finally occurs to me that this deer is probably headed back to its group so I head up a small hill to get a better view of the area. Once I reach the top I look over and see a nice 3 or 4 point buck looking right at me from 30 yards. I raise my gun but don't have a clear shot before he jumps off behind some brush. I parallel him for a while and consider a broadside shot through some light brush but decide against it. I loose him behind a tree and the next time I see him it's his ass facing right towards me with his head turned backwards looking right at me. We stared each other down as I consider trying for a head shot or something but again decide against it. The buck takes off behind a larger patch of brush so I make my way around to see if I can locate him on the other side and all the sudden I see my buck, perfectly broadside at 60 yards. Lift my gun and let it rip. My slug went straight through the heart and dropped the deer 20 yards away.

I am still not sure if I saw 2 different bucks and the first one was a 3 or 4 point or if that's just my memory. Buck fever is real. I don't remember the sound of the gun, the recoil, or anything, all I remember was my body pulsing with adrenaline from the second I first saw the buch to well after it hit the dirt. Either way I harvested this 2 point, I know by most standards this is not a impressive buck but I couldn't be happier. This is my second deer, and my first buck. I have a feeling I am hooked.

It was a great hunt. I learned a lot. Mainly patience is key, I could have shot a small doe, rushed a shot, taken a shot through brush, or tried for a bad shot at a deer facing away from me. Instead I waited until the right moment and it paid off. 

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Re: UPDATED SUCCESS!! Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2021, 09:35:23 AM »
Nice buck!
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Re: UPDATED SUCCESS!! Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2021, 09:49:05 AM »
Nice work!

And its not luck, every game animal you harvest if you look at it one way or another will seem lucky. Fact of the matter is, you saw a buck on your camera, you learned the area, you hunted hard, and you made it happy. Doesn't sound lucky to me!

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Re: UPDATED SUCCESS!! Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2021, 09:49:23 AM »
Graet buck and story. Way to stick with it.  Big Congrats, and yep Your hooked.      :tup:

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Re: UPDATED SUCCESS!! Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2021, 05:28:27 PM »
Congratulations.  I'm glad it worked out for you.  You showed great restraint in holding fire till you had an ethical shot at him.  Next year you fly solo. 
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Re: UPDATED SUCCESS!! Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2021, 05:50:52 PM »
Awesome harvest!

Now is the time to map out where you saw the bedding area,and figure out what trees for a stand. When the leaves are gone, like after the next wind event Sunday, go out with a pole saw and stand so you can do some selective limbing. I've found that massive lane hacking is best done  after the leaves have fallen because the brush will get mashed down more on its own.

You got a sweet little honey hole that is worth putting some time in on.
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Re: UPDATED SUCCESS!! Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2021, 06:48:07 PM »
Way to go and congratulations p_m_clean!

You created the opportunity/circumstances for success on your own and should be very proud of that accomplishment. I really appreciate the candid description of your thought and decision making during those adrenaline filled moments.

Ego stroking from random strangers on a forum regarding how many points the buck has shouldn't be your measure of success. Focus on how hard you tried, what you learned, how great it is to have and share the meat and story with family and friends. Then, have these things be your focus and motivation for an equal or better goal next season.


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Re: UPDATED SUCCESS!! Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2021, 07:06:55 PM »
Dude that's so cool I've always wanted to shoot a deer with a slug.

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Re: UPDATED SUCCESS!! Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2021, 07:09:05 PM »
Beautiful Blacktail!
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Re: UPDATED SUCCESS!! Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2021, 09:55:28 PM »
Awesome harvest!

Now is the time to map out where you saw the bedding area,and figure out what trees for a stand. When the leaves are gone, like after the next wind event Sunday, go out with a pole saw and stand so you can do some selective limbing. I've found that massive lane hacking is best done  after the leaves have fallen because the brush will get mashed down more on its own.

You got a sweet little honey hole that is worth putting some time in on.

Excellent advice.  I wish I'd said it.

I forgot to say earlier that perhaps you should work on your still hunting technique so that you don't make more than a whisper of noise as your hunt.  Maybe rake out some trails so you don't have broken twigs and limbs to tiptoe through in the fall.  Just one good blow messes those efforts up quite a bit, but the trails will still be better than if you did nothing.

I'm thinking a real three point that you saw earlier gave you the slip and/or kicked that forkie out into the open so that he'd remain hidden.   Those bucks are crafty devils.  They will often outhink you and leave you feeling very stupid.
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Re: UPDATED SUCCESS!! Help target a blacktail buck I caught on Cam
« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2021, 07:50:29 PM »
Congrats on a great buck!!! Way to get out there and get it done! Using grandpa's gun makes it sweeter still! Just really cool! only 11 1/2 months till you can get back out there.

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« Reply #42 on: October 28, 2021, 09:27:19 AM »
Awesome harvest!

Now is the time to map out where you saw the bedding area,and figure out what trees for a stand. When the leaves are gone, like after the next wind event Sunday, go out with a pole saw and stand so you can do some selective limbing. I've found that massive lane hacking is best done  after the leaves have fallen because the brush will get mashed down more on its own.

You got a sweet little honey hole that is worth putting some time in on.

Excellent advice.  I wish I'd said it.

I forgot to say earlier that perhaps you should work on your still hunting technique so that you don't make more than a whisper of noise as your hunt.  Maybe rake out some trails so you don't have broken twigs and limbs to tiptoe through in the fall.  Just one good blow messes those efforts up quite a bit, but the trails will still be better than if you did nothing.

I'm thinking a real three point that you saw earlier gave you the slip and/or kicked that forkie out into the open so that he'd remain hidden.   Those bucks are crafty devils.  They will often outhink you and leave you feeling very stupid.

I'm not sure I will ever be the quiet or stealthy type.... My knees and ankles crack like a mf and I have been known to be a little clumsy... Either way I can still do better. I will probably get out before the spring green and clear some trails and shooting lanes and find a spot for a tree stand.

The more I think about it the more I am sure the first buck was different then the one I shot.

Already planning for next year. I think I want to get multiple cams out and identify the buck I want to target before the season even starts and just focus 100% on that deer, or a better one if it comes along.

 


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