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Re: High Cap Mag - Grandfathered in?
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2024, 07:38:04 PM »


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Re: High Cap Mag - Grandfathered in?
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2024, 07:50:31 PM »
Well, first off thank you for your service. Second, I'll agree with you on the part of people leaving behind trash when shooting and dumping garbage at logging road gates, etc.. However you sound like a typical politician saying you support the 2nd amendment but then saying "banning hi capacity mags doesn't matter". When do you draw the line? When they say you can't have a bolt action gun? WA residents cant even buy an ar15 anymore. People like you wont stand up for the 2nd amendment that you claim you support. Let me remind you the 2nd amendment WAS NOT put into place for the purpose of hunting. It was to protect the American citizen from a tyrannical government.

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Re: High Cap Mag - Grandfathered in?
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2024, 07:58:45 PM »
So from what I can tell, some of you stopped reading after I wrote, I don't have a problem with the intent of the law. I'm a hunter. I've been shooting guns since I was able to carry a gun. BB gun, then 22 rifle and so on. My grandfather bought me bricks of shells and I shot daily on twenty acres and the adjoining national forest land until I went in the military at 20. The Air force handed me a sorry excuse of a rifle and said here's 5 rounds to sight it in with and adjust it. I said, how about I shoot the 5 rounds, you let me do my certification and I'll get out of here. I shot expert marksman and handed them their target and their piece of garbage rifle and went on my way.
 A gun is a tool. It has a job. That job is to kill. Can you do other activities with it? Sure! It doesn't take away from the fact that it was designed and manufactured for one purpose, to kill.
That's what I use my rifles for. I keep them sighted in and I shoot enough to stay proficient with the different firearms that I use for the different hunting that I do. Beyond that, shooting isn't  a past time for me.
 Over the last twenty years or so, in my pursuits, deer hunting, grouse hunting, running my dogs on the various dirt roads throughout the cascades, the messes I have found at the end of logging roads, trash, appliances, you name it, some of which was left there by the shooting crowds have disgusted me. Brass everywhere. Disgusted me to the point that I started to question the idea that just anyone should be able to own a firearm. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, if you want to own a gun, join the military right out of high school. Prove you can handle it properly. Get a certificate that proves you can use a it proficiently and allows you to have and carry such a weapon. Obviously what we've been doing the last twenty years hasn't been working out so well. I'm a firm believer in the second amendment but I also believe people in this country have no idea what was sacrificed for every citizen to have these rights and because of this, I tend to believe there's a bunch of people that just maybe, don't deserve the rights they've been given. Especially the pigs that leave trash and such in the hills at the end of logging roads!
 I'm also the type that thinks a little deeper into things. For instance, the idea that "they're" going to take our guns. Twenty odd years ago, I read a statistic that estimated there was four firearms for every man, woman and child in this country and that number has done nothing but grown exponentially since. This country was founded on the principle, of the people, by the people, for the people and so on. So tell me, who exactly is going to go door to door in this country and collect guns? The cops, the military? Have ya ever stopped to consider the complete breakdown of society that the mere mention of such a farce would trigger? Most if not all cops would laugh and take a few days off. The military members would laugh and take a few days off. It's preposterous to think that sons and daughter, aunts and uncles, brothers and sisters, friends and relatives would go along with any of it. All that said, if the idiots that we elect these days to govern us think that banning high capacity magazines will make a *censored* load of difference in society today, than let em. Like I said before, some lessons are best learned the hard way and some people just take way longer to learn em. This country is young. There are governments much older that have learned a lot of lessons the hard way. The fact that no one really knows what doors have guns behind them and how many guns are behind those doors means no one in their right mind is going to raise their hand and volunteer for gun collection duty. At least not many that will live very long. One more thing, if the banning of high capacity magazines is getting people all fired up, hunters and shooters alike have got a real rude awakening coming. I think we're on generation number two or three of kids that have been sitting through active shooter drills in school. Give just a little thought into what happens when this country gets to generation five or six. Unless those kids were brought up around guns and understand the gun is just a tool, some of those individuals that had to sit in school while the government and the public came up with reasons why they couldn't protect them and then made them sit through the drills are going to make gun owners pay. Even an eight year old kid is smart enough to know that getting in a closet, getting under your desk, locking the class room door is a joke. Honestly, I can't blame them for feeling as they do. Society wonders why test scores have gone down, really? These are the ones that will be making laws over the next 30 to 40 years. High capacity magazines will be the least of your concerns in twenty years or so. Anyone with even half of a brain has to see the future ain't bright for gun owners or the country for that matter. We'll all be leaving our bolt action rifles at home, behind the front door and taking our single shots hunting. Good luck out there.

Apply that logic or type of thinking to any of our constitutional protected rights like the one we’re exercising on a daily with our freedom of speech. What if I said your speech shouldn’t be protected until you’ve completed a bachelors degree to show proficiency to read, write and critically think. You know that will only set you back a 100k or so now days. We have a constitution for a reason and if people like you think it needs to be changed our founders gave us a way to do that. A lot of what you ramble on about is propaganda that is fed to us in a steady stream, such as believing in high capacity magazines. They are standard capacity magazines that have been around for more than half a century.

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Re: High Cap Mag - Grandfathered in?
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2024, 10:41:49 PM »
I must be slurring my words. I've said it twice now. I personally don't care about high capacity magazines. I don't have any of them and therefore they hold no importance to me. I'll guarantee the shooting community doesn't care at all about which streams are catch and release and fly fishing only. Also, twice I've said, restrictions of high capacity magazines will change nothing and "that" lesson will take some longer to learn than others. Again, I don't for one second believe banning high capacity magazines will change anything. It will make people feel all safe and fuzzy until the next school or mass shooting. Then they'll start looking for another thing they can restrict which won't change anything either.
 If you're comparing and arguing that the right to free speech and the right to bear arms are of the same significance, I'm pretty sure there may be some parents across this country that will argue that with you. I am positive there are several parents that would have loved to hear that someone stood outside their kids school and yelled obscenities instead of taking a firearm inside the school and killing their kids.
 I won't or can't apologize for believing in the ideal that with gun ownership comes responsibility. We make people in this country prove they know the laws of the road and demonstrate their limited ability to drive a vehicle.
 I'm not advocating for suspending or doing away with the constitution. On the other hand, don't you have to wonder if the framers could have possibly envisioned the world we're living in today? I just don't think so. When the constitution was written, man lived to be 40 years old. He had a wooden leg, a wooden teeth and and a wooden rod that he stuffed a lead projectile down a barrel with. There were no instructions sheets for anything. Nobody got a driver's license for their horse or mule. I understand that going backwards isn't going to happen. I do however think gun owners really need to look around and check the wind because any group that isn't willing to change, loses. It's just a fact, it's happened throughout history. I honestly don't see anything changing and see the entire country and world going down the drain because humans can't see passed the end of their nose and will only change when they have no other choice. I'm no better than any others, I've been hunting the same mountain for 35 years and hope to get another 20.

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Re: High Cap Mag - Grandfathered in?
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2024, 10:50:44 PM »
Yep 2A is not about hunting but for tyrannical Govt, which is happening now but don’t think an overthrow is coming yet. The real reason currently is self preservation. The criminals are coming in droves, gangs attacking and home invasions by 3,4 or more so high capacity mags, which they all have, are mandatory. The Constitution needs to be enforced.
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Re: High Cap Mag - Grandfathered in?
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2024, 11:18:58 PM »
Chukardogs, the intent of the law is for Democrat politicians to progressively chip away at our rights and freedoms. It's not about saving lives and never has been.


For the people who think you can pass them down,  to people in this state, you legally can't. That's distribution. Distribution in that context is illegal. https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.370


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Re: High Cap Mag - Grandfathered in?
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2024, 08:10:23 AM »
How can they pass a law that’s Unconstitutional? Federal way discount guns just got fined $3 million for selling them but when ruled by Supreme court as BS do they get their money back. Ban side show Bob.
They did not get fined 3 million dollars they settled for that.   Their fines were going to be around 25 million.

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Re: High Cap Mag - Grandfathered in?
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2024, 09:51:28 AM »
Its chipping away, little by little. The long game is very effective. I am past the point of caring about what someone considers is legal. Unfortunately. 

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Re: High Cap Mag - Grandfathered in?
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2024, 06:06:16 AM »
So from what I can tell, some of you stopped reading after I wrote, I don't have a problem with the intent of the law. I'm a hunter. I've been shooting guns since I was able to carry a gun. BB gun, then 22 rifle and so on. My grandfather bought me bricks of shells and I shot daily on twenty acres and the adjoining national forest land until I went in the military at 20. The Air force handed me a sorry excuse of a rifle and said here's 5 rounds to sight it in with and adjust it. I said, how about I shoot the 5 rounds, you let me do my certification and I'll get out of here. I shot expert marksman and handed them their target and their piece of garbage rifle and went on my way.
 A gun is a tool. It has a job. That job is to kill. Can you do other activities with it? Sure! It doesn't take away from the fact that it was designed and manufactured for one purpose, to kill.
That's what I use my rifles for. I keep them sighted in and I shoot enough to stay proficient with the different firearms that I use for the different hunting that I do. Beyond that, shooting isn't  a past time for me.
 Over the last twenty years or so, in my pursuits, deer hunting, grouse hunting, running my dogs on the various dirt roads throughout the cascades, the messes I have found at the end of logging roads, trash, appliances, you name it, some of which was left there by the shooting crowds have disgusted me. Brass everywhere. Disgusted me to the point that I started to question the idea that just anyone should be able to own a firearm. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, if you want to own a gun, join the military right out of high school. Prove you can handle it properly. Get a certificate that proves you can use a it proficiently and allows you to have and carry such a weapon. Obviously what we've been doing the last twenty years hasn't been working out so well. I'm a firm believer in the second amendment but I also believe people in this country have no idea what was sacrificed for every citizen to have these rights and because of this, I tend to believe there's a bunch of people that just maybe, don't deserve the rights they've been given. Especially the pigs that leave trash and such in the hills at the end of logging roads!
 I'm also the type that thinks a little deeper into things. For instance, the idea that "they're" going to take our guns. Twenty odd years ago, I read a statistic that estimated there was four firearms for every man, woman and child in this country and that number has done nothing but grown exponentially since. This country was founded on the principle, of the people, by the people, for the people and so on. So tell me, who exactly is going to go door to door in this country and collect guns? The cops, the military? Have ya ever stopped to consider the complete breakdown of society that the mere mention of such a farce would trigger? Most if not all cops would laugh and take a few days off. The military members would laugh and take a few days off. It's preposterous to think that sons and daughter, aunts and uncles, brothers and sisters, friends and relatives would go along with any of it. All that said, if the idiots that we elect these days to govern us think that banning high capacity magazines will make a *censored* load of difference in society today, than let em. Like I said before, some lessons are best learned the hard way and some people just take way longer to learn em. This country is young. There are governments much older that have learned a lot of lessons the hard way. The fact that no one really knows what doors have guns behind them and how many guns are behind those doors means no one in their right mind is going to raise their hand and volunteer for gun collection duty. At least not many that will live very long. One more thing, if the banning of high capacity magazines is getting people all fired up, hunters and shooters alike have got a real rude awakening coming. I think we're on generation number two or three of kids that have been sitting through active shooter drills in school. Give just a little thought into what happens when this country gets to generation five or six. Unless those kids were brought up around guns and understand the gun is just a tool, some of those individuals that had to sit in school while the government and the public came up with reasons why they couldn't protect them and then made them sit through the drills are going to make gun owners pay. Even an eight year old kid is smart enough to know that getting in a closet, getting under your desk, locking the class room door is a joke. Honestly, I can't blame them for feeling as they do. Society wonders why test scores have gone down, really? These are the ones that will be making laws over the next 30 to 40 years. High capacity magazines will be the least of your concerns in twenty years or so. Anyone with even half of a brain has to see the future ain't bright for gun owners or the country for that matter. We'll all be leaving our bolt action rifles at home, behind the front door and taking our single shots hunting. Good luck out there.
There are a lot of people driving out on the road that passed a test that shouldn't be driving.  Being proficient with a firearm or taking a test to own one shouldn't be the determining factor to own one.  I never went into the military but I do come from a military family and outshoot most of them.  The 2nd amendment wasn't created for hunting......This world needs more of God.  Evil will find a way to kill with or without standard capacity 30rd mags.  It's the evil that needs to change, not our rights.  Have a good day.

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Re: High Cap Mag - Grandfathered in?
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2024, 06:15:01 AM »
The Military has some pretty amazing shooters. The vast majority of those amazing shooters are either Special Forces or Special Operations.
Having said that, next time you go to a Military shooting range, look up, look to the side of you, look behind you, I would bet dollars to doughnuts you see bullet holes that got there the same way they did as every non-Military range did.  :hello:

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Re: High Cap Mag - Grandfathered in?
« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2024, 04:38:16 PM »
The law passed in 2022 that pertains to high capacity magazine only covers the sale and amanufacturing of.....
Off of Washington's website on firearm laws
On July 1, 2022, a law prohibiting the sale, attempted sale, manufacture and distribution of high-capacity magazines that hold more than 10 rounds went into effect in Washington. The law does not prohibit the possession of high-capacity magazines.

 With the verbiage written as it is, someone would have to prove you purchased the magazine's after July 1st of 2022. The onus would be on the state to prove you purchased it illegally. Without a valid receipt proving that would be rather difficult.

While this is essentially true please be aware that Pmags do have dates on them  Not sure about other magazines but if a Pmag has a date after the law went into effect they have their proof.....
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Re: High Cap Mag - Grandfathered in?
« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2024, 04:42:13 PM »
The law passed in 2022 that pertains to high capacity magazine only covers the sale and amanufacturing of.....
Off of Washington's website on firearm laws
On July 1, 2022, a law prohibiting the sale, attempted sale, manufacture and distribution of high-capacity magazines that hold more than 10 rounds went into effect in Washington. The law does not prohibit the possession of high-capacity magazines.

 With the verbiage written as it is, someone would have to prove you purchased the magazine's after July 1st of 2022. The onus would be on the state to prove you purchased it illegally. Without a valid receipt proving that would be rather difficult.

While this is essentially true please be aware that Pmags do have dates on them  Not sure about other magazines but if a Pmag has a date after the law went into effect they have their proof.....
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Re: High Cap Mag - Grandfathered in?
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2024, 08:55:49 PM »
Soooo, is it illegal to grind the date off? Asking for a friend.

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Re: High Cap Mag - Grandfathered in?
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2024, 09:37:44 PM »
Soooo, is it illegal to grind the date off? Asking for a friend.

Well if you bought them after the date that makes them legal your already a criminal so might as well!

 


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