Stolen camera rant

[MeepDog]

Once you give something up it's very hard to get it back. If you don't like cams, don't use them. Wildlife photography should be embraced.

[2MANY]

Thermal and cameras need to go bye bye on public ground.
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Of course I've done enough to establishmy own opinion which is what it is.
I feel the same way about hiring 10 spotters.

[Feathernfurr]

I’m nervous about this new trend of drones with thermals for “scouting” that I’m seeing guys do on YouTube too. We’re definitely losing the point these days. Too many people consumed with being social media hunters. But, I will refrain from hijacking the thread. It’s a shame people can’t leave other’s cameras alone, people need to show more respect.

[hunter399]

We will be losing baiting deer/elk in the NE ,CWD and all that.
I'm sure the trail cam issue has came up in a commission meeting.
I'd be fine with banning trail cam use during the season , Sept 1 - dec31. Most of my trail cam use is done by September.
Mainly to inventory animals, we all want to hunt where animal are located.
All my cams are SD card cams,I do not use cell cams or any type of thermal camera or drone. That's my choice,I do not mind what others use as long as it's legal.

[GASoline71]

I think the game camera trend is way out of hand.  I use them on my property for the 2 legged A-holes that sneak around in the dark and steal stuff.  And we have one on the 40 acre private parcel we hunt at the access gate.  We do see quite a few deer on it though. 

But just like everything else in this "industy", we have dumbed it down due to laziness. Sure it makes it easier to set up a cell camera on a ridge and check it from your recliner.  Instead of driving out dozens of times a year to actually watch that same ridge to see what's going on. We also have bows capable of kills out past 100 yards, muzzleloaders capable of shooting close to 200 yard groups like modern rifles, everyone wants a muzzle brake or a can on the end of their rifle, all the clothing we use nowadays is so lightweight and comfy, it makes you wonder how we hunted in woolies and union suits with wood stock rifles and fixed 4 power scopes, mediocre compounds, and sidelock muzzleloaders 30 years ago. But I digress... 

Gary

[hunter399]

I think the game camera trend is way out of hand.  I use them on my property for the 2 legged A-holes that sneak around in the dark and steal stuff.  And we have one on the 40 acre private parcel we hunt at the access gate.  We do see quite a few deer on it though. 

But just like everything else in this "industy", we have dumbed it down due to laziness. Sure it makes it easier to set up a cell camera on a ridge and check it from your recliner.  Instead of driving out dozens of times a year to actually watch that same ridge to see what's going on. We also have bows capable of kills out past 100 yards, muzzleloaders capable of shooting close to 200 yard groups like modern rifles, everyone wants a muzzle brake or a can on the end of their rifle, all the clothing we use nowadays is so lightweight and comfy, it makes you wonder how we hunted in woolies and union suits with wood stock rifles and fixed 4 power scopes, mediocre compounds, and sidelock muzzleloaders 30 years ago. But I digress... 

Gary

I totally agree with ya. The hunting was way better 30 years ago.
Now we have onx,SxS,1000 yard rifles out the box with hand loading instructions. I feel what your saying.
But we have went so far forward,that there is no going back.
Can't beat ,join 'em.
With that said ,I still wear blue jeans,still put on a flannel to hunt sometimes. Still leave my junk at home sometimes,put a knife on my belt,some TP in my back pocket. Take my rifle that just sighted in for 100 yards . GO HUNT.

I do wish we could go back, open sight 30/30,my knife and that's it.
So now I just draw a line for myself on what is fair chase is for me .

[chukardogs]

What's the difference between a game camera hooked up to a cell phone in real time and a drone? And please don't with one flies and one doesn't. You get the point. Knowing where an animal was at some point during the year, last month or even last week doesn't mean he's there now or going to be there in a few minutes if he stays on a specific trail. How can that possibly be considered fair chase? I guess now I have to go back and read the regulations.

[GASoline71]

I think the game camera trend is way out of hand.  I use them on my property for the 2 legged A-holes that sneak around in the dark and steal stuff.  And we have one on the 40 acre private parcel we hunt at the access gate.  We do see quite a few deer on it though. 

But just like everything else in this "industy", we have dumbed it down due to laziness. Sure it makes it easier to set up a cell camera on a ridge and check it from your recliner.  Instead of driving out dozens of times a year to actually watch that same ridge to see what's going on. We also have bows capable of kills out past 100 yards, muzzleloaders capable of shooting close to 200 yard groups like modern rifles, everyone wants a muzzle brake or a can on the end of their rifle, all the clothing we use nowadays is so lightweight and comfy, it makes you wonder how we hunted in woolies and union suits with wood stock rifles and fixed 4 power scopes, mediocre compounds, and sidelock muzzleloaders 30 years ago. But I digress... 

Gary

I totally agree with ya. The hunting was way better 30 years ago.
Now we have onx,SxS,1000 yard rifles out the box with hand loading instructions. I feel what your saying.
But we have went so far forward,that there is no going back.
Can't beat ,join 'em.
With that said ,I still wear blue jeans,still put on a flannel to hunt sometimes. Still leave my junk at home sometimes,put a knife on my belt,some TP in my back pocket. Take my rifle that just sighted in for 100 yards . GO HUNT.

I do wish we could go back, open sight 30/30,my knife and that's it.
So now I just draw a line for myself on what is fair chase is for me .

Yessiree!  I will admit that OnX has probably been the one new "tech" that I have embraced.  I still hunt elk when its really cold in woolies and long johns. Warmer weather, Jeans and a jacket or flannel for me too, unless it's raining or wet.  Then it's rain gear.

I bought a big mountain hauler type pack 2 years ago and have yet to use it.  Don't know if I ever will. LOL. It is nice to just have a knife and a sharpener on my belt, and a wad of TP in my back pocket. My hunting style has changed a lot as I have aged. I'm approaching 60 and my knees don't allow me the freedoms I once had in the backcountry. But, I trudge along the best i can. Technological advances in the hunting and fishing industry are mind numbing to me.  There just seems like a gadget or gizmo for every single thing nowadays. I'm too simple minded to change. haha. How's that song go?  "I'm a dinosaur, should have died out a long time before... hand me my hat, excuse me man, but where is the door?" 

Gary

[chukardogs]

I can't find anything in the regulations that says a person couldn't set up game camera's in a canyon or on a trail and then sit farther up or down the canyon or trail and then have the camera tell you when an animal walked in front of the camera's.
 I can't believe that the state fish and wildlife haven't thought of that. Am I reading too much into it? Are the camera's and cell phone's that sophisticated and accurate that they'll give you real time info? If so, I gotta get me some.

[GASoline71]

I can't find anything in the regulations that says a person couldn't set up game camera's in a canyon or on a trail and then sit farther up or down the canyon or trail and then have the camera tell you when an animal walked in front of the camera's.
 I can't believe that the state fish and wildlife haven't thought of that. Am I reading too much into it? Are the camera's and cell phone's that sophisticated and accurate that they'll give you real time info? If so, I gotta get me some.

That right there is reason enough to have them out of the woods during the hunting season.

Gary

[dreadi]

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[ganghis]

I've got mixed feelings on cameras in the woods too, especially the ones that work over cellular networks.  On the other hand, I have a buddy who I'm trying to get into hunting and I got him to put up one of those cellular cams on his inlaws property.  He keeps sending me pics of blacktails and bobcats and is pretty psyched to go sit in a blind with his bow for the first time this fall.  I think it excites him a lot more than finding some fresh scat or rubs would - maybe that's backwards from the way some of us learned, but I also think it's pretty cool that technology can help someone get into hunting in the first place.

Most of the places I hunt are away from roads and don't have cell service, so if someone wants to do the work to put them in and check the sd cards over multiple backpacking weekends I don't have a problem with it.  I've done it on occasion (including this season) and have used them to cross places off (no spike elk  or legal bucks in this drainage, etc.)...I think that can save some time but is no way a slam dunk.

I do not, and will never bait, because that doesn't jive with my personal ethic.  But I know other people do and don't want to do the "this is the right way to hunt, that is the wrong way to hunt" thing.  Hound hunting deer was legal when I lived in NC and that kind of pissed me off too.  Since then though, I've kind of taken up the mentality that there's enough other forces against us hunters, I'd rather everyone just do their own thing as long as it's not anything egregious.

As for the original thread, that sucks that people took your stuff hunter399.  I hope mine are still in place when I get to my elk spot in early October!  There's one wallow in particular that I've seen other hunters flagging going into in the past - giving it a 50/50 chance that the wallow cam is still there!

[Ridgeratt]

The neighbor and I went to replace the batteries in his. This last Tuesday and we ran into a couple of bear hunters in the middle of the day. We started talking about game cameras. I asked him if he could guess just how many cameras where in the drainage he was hunting. He admitted that he had 24 in the general area. Neighbor had close to a dozen out last year and pulled back some and I had close to a dozen. That means between the 3 of us there was 48 cameras, and his buddy didn't admit to any. I know that other people have put cameras out as well. This is just a small area in 105. The bear hunter did say when he found a camera he would run the card on his reader to see what others have seen and if he wants hunt the area.

The bear hunters had shot a bear earlier in the morning and had lost the trail. I would guess in the heat it wasn't much good if they ever found it.

[chukardogs]

I do have cell service where I hunt. The fact that I hunt alone quite often, (don't say it) and the fact that I have cell service where I hunt is the only reason I still hunt and I'm not divorced.
Where's that point where the technology takes over and the ability to hunt and shoot falls to the way side? I have a buddy with one of them fancy scopes that's set up for his specific caliber out to like a thousand yards. The state says, sure, you can bait deer and elk. Throw in a cellphone camera set-up that let's you know when the animal will be standing 1000 yards away. Can we really call that hunting?
Camera's in the field for watching animals throughout the year, sure. Camera's in the field as an active hunting tool crosses a line for me. I'm just surprised the state hasn't already seen this possibility. They jumped on the drone usage during the season as soon as it became a thing.     

[GWP]

Wasn’t there a shoot by camera outfit where you could do the hunt by live stationary camera on your computer? That was some time ago.
I suppose hunting by drone would be the next step from that.
48 cameras in one area?!?! Good grief.