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spot emergency device
« on: November 12, 2010, 02:45:55 PM »
anyone have one and used it? is it worth the money?
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Re: spot emergency device
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2010, 06:13:31 PM »
I bought one ( Spot 2) and didn't activate it, waiting for snow. Found out they have a recall on it. I curious too.
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Re: spot emergency device
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2010, 06:43:54 PM »
I bought one last year after a pretty bad fall the year before during elk season.  I solo archery hunted this year and had it with me all the time checking in with the wife that all was ok.  I had the "need help" option set to go out to a couple of packers  so they would know where I was at if I got one.  Never had to use the 911 feature thank goodness.  Good insurance in my book in case something goes wrong.  I do have mine set up for "tracking" so you can check up on me even if I don't it the send message button.  Just my .02.  Michael

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Re: spot emergency device
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2010, 12:36:40 PM »
 :yeah:

I'm able to send the boss (and mini bosses) a message when I'm in the middle of some hell hole with no phone service so she can sleep at night.   :tup:

As stated, cheap insurance.
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Re: spot emergency device
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2010, 12:58:57 PM »
I don't like them for two reasons: (1) you do not know if your message was received, and (2) you cannot carry on a two way conversation.  Renting a satellite phone is a far better solution, IMHO.  Second would be a PLB, which has a far more effective means of transmission.

Imagine: you've broken your leg and can't walk, and you press the "911" button.  Now you wait. And wait. And wait. Was your message received?  Is help on the way?  When will it arrive?
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Re: spot emergency device
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2010, 09:27:35 PM »
I've had it 3 yrs now, mostly due to backpacking solo.  This year, shot my elk 3 miles from the truck, used the SPOT, and my dad knew where I was, he received the text message on his phone with my coordinates.  We were lucky that he picked up the cell service long enough to receive the message.  Then, during rifle deer this year, same thing, shot my deer at 7:30 am, sent a SPOT message at 8:30, and dad showed up at noon, ready to help on my second pack out.  This was in an area where we never receive cell access, so we were surprised he received enough cell service to get the text message on his phone.

But, after having this for 3 yrs, the $110/yr contract is worth it, especially with all the solo hunting I do.

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Re: spot emergency device
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2010, 03:59:57 PM »
My wife's been bugging me to get one since I generally hunt solo (at least half the time, anyway) and a long distance from the road.  I also take solo backpacking/scouting trips in the summer.

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Re: spot emergency device
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2010, 10:45:55 AM »
The spot tells you if the message went out - by way of how the lights are blinking.  If you push "911", that goes to a central dispatch, I believe, and they send it on to the local authorities/ coast guard, along with the people on your help list - this is the button to push if someone is about to die.  The "help" button will send messages to up to the 2 people you have set up in the system, so you get redundancy there too  - this button is for "I'm in a pinch, I need a hand, but I am not in a life or death situation." Then there's the OK button that goes to one person of your choosing. 

I have sent a bunch of messages, all have been received.

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Re: spot emergency device
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2010, 10:55:54 AM »
Mixed reviews.  I would not trust my life to SPOT.
http://www.amazon.com/SPOT-Inc-SPOT-1-Personal-Tracker/product-reviews/B000YTZV74/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

A rescuer's perspective., December 25, 2008
By Jennifer J. Whitcomb (Seattle) - See all my reviews
(REAL NAME)    This review is from: SPOT Personal Tracker (3.5" and 5.25" disks)
As someone with Coast Guard Search and Rescue experience who is very familiar with SPOT, (also an AT and PCT alum) I wanted to add my review from the perspective of someone who has responded to distress beacons. I first learned about SPOT with an open mind, but have since found many reasons to dissuade mariners and others from using the device. I can't stress strongly enough the need to go with a 406 MHz beacon, such as an EPIRB / ELT / or PLB as the distress-alerting device of choice. As a reference, I'll point to SPOT's own web site.

Unfortunately, it is full of half-truths and other misleading information.

Below, I've included a transcript of their online video about its "Alert 911" function.

A point-by-point discussion/rebuttal:

Claim: "Every year, emergency authorities conduct 50,000 rescue missions. Many of these people are not found in time. Now there's a way to make sure that they are: the SPOT messenger is the first and only product that combines GPS technology with Satellite-based communication..."

Response: FALSE! Such technology has been available for many years: SARSAT-based 406 MHz EPIRBs / ELTs / PLBs. When synced with a GPS, they embed and transmit their coordinates to a satellite, giving the Coast Guard (and for inland positions, the Air Force) an immediate "E" (electronic) solution where they can send boats / aircraft / search teams.

Claim: "Whether you are snowmobiling, hiking or sailing, it is your personal connection to loved ones and emergency authorities, with the simple push of a button, from virtually anywhere, worldwide..."

Response: Not always true. You CANNOT depend on it! In Seattle, the Coast Guard had a case in September where a boater's loved ones hadn't received their scheduled "I'm OK" update from the vessel as expected. Suddenly it became a case of an overdue vessel. Turns out the boater had hit the button on the device, but the message was not transmitted. The CG called SPOT and learned that the company was having difficulty receiving transmissions from multiple vessels. Of course neither the sender nor their recipients was notified of this. CG units from Seattle to California were involved in this case. Something similar could happen inland.

Claim: "Over 50% of the US does not have cell phone coverage. With SPOT you're covered..."

Response: Um, not always (see above). Also, with any 406 MHz beacon, you're covered, as well. Without the yearly fee and extra fees for bells and whistles.

Claim: "Today, SPOT is saving lives all over the world." (Provides several anecdotes.)

Response: Certainly it has played an important role in certain cases. But show me one where SPOT worked and a 406 MHz EPIRB / ELT / PLB would not have.

Claim: (Case study - the Bertsches) So the wife receives an email stating plainly "This is an emergency. Please send help." Followed by a lat/long.

Response: So this is not to be confused with the message sent when you hit the "HELP" button, which reads: "This is an HELP message. Please find my location in this message below and send for help ASAP." Confusing?

Claim: The wife then says she received a SPOT message saying "I am OK." and was very relieved.

Response: What if she had been away from her computer this whole time? Had she seriously not yet been contacted by authorities? In the case of a 406 MHz alert, the Rescue Coordination Center that receives the alert puts a live person on the phone with the family member / emergency contact as part of prosecuting the case.

Claim: "If your loved one is going into the outdoors, you need SPOT..."

Response: No you don't. It's a false sense of security.

While SPOT's a neat tekkie tool for tracking someone's location in the wilderness or at sea, it should NOT replace a 406 EPIRB / ELT / PLB for emergencies.

It also lacks the 121.5 MHz homing signal that all 406s have, with homing equipment already installed on all Coast Guard aircraft. CG boats, civilian air and ground SAR and civil air patrol assets also have this equipment. The CG also has 406 MHz direction-finding equipment installed on many of its aircraft, as well, which can lock in on a signal from over 100 miles away. SPOT has no such advantage, as responding agencies have no way to detect its signal with their aircraft, boats, or ground teams.

SPOT's business model is clearly based on the continued profits generated by its subscription services, and is aligned with the GEOS company, which is in this business for profit (nothing wrong with that).

Contrast that with SARSAT (406 MHz) beacons, which exist to execute the federal mission of inland and maritime SAR. While beacon manufacturers like ACR and McMurdo look to make a profit, they have to adhere to strict federal (and international) standards to market their devices as SARSAT EPIRBS / ELTs / PLBs. The government (NASA / NOAA) funds and maintains the satellites (which are being significantly upgraded again in the next decade), and the Air Force and Coast Guard executes all SAR in the US and our territorial waters (and often beyond).

Another advantage of SARSAT (406 MHz) beacons - NOAA tracks all false alarms, follows up on their causes, and works directly with their manufacturers to minimize their reoccurrence.

And one additional reason the video on SPOT's site leaves me scratching my head: it uses footage of Coast Guard assets that were retired before SPOT was even on the market (44' motor lifeboat / CG HH-65A helicopter [illustrating a case off of AUSTRALIA, and the CG now uses C models with a different paint job]).

My one-star review is specific to its use as a distress beacon. As a fun way to track a friend or loved one via google maps, it's a neat gadget (so long as folks know not to panic if you miss a check-in, since their technology is unreliable). Just make sure you carry a 406 in case you get in real trouble.
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Re: spot emergency device
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2010, 11:05:27 AM »
I've had one for 2 years and it works great for me. Wife wanted me to have one since I do 1/2 my hunting solo, especially elk. I give her daily updates to my whereabouts and makes her feel much better getting that daily message on her phone, work & home compter. Never had it fail...

Like anything electronic you always have that slight chance that it fails, nothing is 100%. But it sure is better than nothing at all IMO....

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Re: spot emergency device
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2010, 11:17:21 AM »
Bob - Can you give me any insight on the cost of Locator beacon and/or necessary service?  I never looked at one as an option as I don't know where to go look. 

I like the concept of Spot, but as you mentioned the reviews aren't great.  I have been reading reviews on various outlets and they are all similar.  50-60% in favor & 40-50% opposed.  Various reasons for the opposed reviews. 



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Re: spot emergency device
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2010, 11:28:54 AM »
I've never heard of a personal epirb type system that sent messages to individuals.

That's essentially what spot does. They're pre-written messages, and sent to a limited list of e-mail or cell numbers, but it doesn't involve SAR or other authorities unless you need it to (the 911 button.)
     If anyone else offered that service I'd comparison shop.

I love mine. It's not 100% reliable, but it's close. And what it means to me, most of the time, is that I can change plans at the drop of a hat, and I don't have to worry about the wife having a conniption! I can even stay on a track overnight or something, and she won't call out the military! That's worth it's weight in gold to me.

I hope 911 works if I ever need it. I assume it works, because I know "help" and "ok" work 99% of the time.

It's not an ideal system, but as a private party system, it's sure the best I know of! No way to rent a sat phone at the drop of a hat, several times per month for $100 per year... not even close.
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Re: spot emergency device
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2010, 11:50:27 AM »
Love mine. 2 years now, sent my wife and buddies a message every day, I was 35 miles in the wilderness for over 3 weeks at a time. My wife like to know I am ok and thinking of her.
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Re: spot emergency device
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2010, 06:12:02 PM »
I have had mine for three years without incident. Here is a write up I did then....

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,11775.0.html
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Re: spot emergency device
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2010, 04:43:25 PM »
I've had mine for two years.  I would say my wife has received 120 out of 125 messages over those two years.  I do have one area over in Idaho that none of my message seem to reach my wife.  But it is a heck of alot better than what I used before....which was nothing.  One of the huge pluses for me is what Steve said above, change locations and the wife is notifiied.  I really like having mine!
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