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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #465 on: June 09, 2014, 05:50:03 PM »
Conservation Easements: Locking Up LittleTown, Part 4
http://www.thedailyherb.com/conservation-easements-locking-littletown-part-4/

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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #466 on: June 09, 2014, 08:18:40 PM »
On this side of the mountains if you own property and want a building permit or some thing they strongarm you into giving a conservation easement.

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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #467 on: June 09, 2014, 08:57:41 PM »
Conservation Easements: Locking Up LittleTown, Part 4
http://www.thedailyherb.com/conservation-easements-locking-littletown-part-4/
a couple of things to consider:
1) the source... a blog written by a North Idaho Agenda 21 fanatic.  Not trustworthy IMO
2) The message- "conservation easements trick people into giving away "dominant" interest in their land".  Seriously- what kind of moron signs something like that without understanding the meaning
3) the lies- if they are so bad why aren't you crumbing on RMEF for all their easements?  The lady that wrote this doesn't know what she's talking about...but she continues talking because she has an audience. 

thanks for sharing.  I don't think it has much utility, but maybe someone else will.

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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #468 on: June 09, 2014, 09:53:42 PM »
Conservation Easements: Locking Up LittleTown, Part 4
http://www.thedailyherb.com/conservation-easements-locking-littletown-part-4/
a couple of things to consider:
1) the source... a blog written by a North Idaho Agenda 21 fanatic.  Not trustworthy IMO
2) The message- "conservation easements trick people into giving away "dominant" interest in their land".  Seriously- what kind of moron signs something like that without understanding the meaning
3) the lies- if they are so bad why aren't you crumbing on RMEF for all their easements?  The lady that wrote this doesn't know what she's talking about...but she continues talking because she has an audience. 

thanks for sharing.  I don't think it has much utility, but maybe someone else will.
:chuckle: wolfbait thinks public land is bad for public land hunters...so it is not at all a surprise that conservation easements, a big tool for RMEF conservation efforts, is viewed by him and his "buddies" as a bad thing.  Basically anything good for wildlife is bad in wolfy's views.
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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #469 on: June 09, 2014, 11:59:04 PM »
Conservation Easements: Locking Up LittleTown, Part 4
http://www.thedailyherb.com/conservation-easements-locking-littletown-part-4/
a couple of things to consider:
1) the source... a blog written by a North Idaho Agenda 21 fanatic.  Not trustworthy IMO
2) The message- "conservation easements trick people into giving away "dominant" interest in their land".  Seriously- what kind of moron signs something like that without understanding the meaning
3) the lies- if they are so bad why aren't you crumbing on RMEF for all their easements?  The lady that wrote this doesn't know what she's talking about...but she continues talking because she has an audience. 

thanks for sharing.  I don't think it has much utility, but maybe someone else will.

The kind of moron that had land in thier family for a LONG time and then tried to build on it. In order to get the permit for Well, septic, house has to provide an easement.
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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #470 on: June 10, 2014, 06:39:01 AM »
Conservation Easements: Locking Up LittleTown, Part 4
http://www.thedailyherb.com/conservation-easements-locking-littletown-part-4/
a couple of things to consider:
1) the source... a blog written by a North Idaho Agenda 21 fanatic.  Not trustworthy IMO
2) The message- "conservation easements trick people into giving away "dominant" interest in their land".  Seriously- what kind of moron signs something like that without understanding the meaning
3) the lies- if they are so bad why aren't you crumbing on RMEF for all their easements?  The lady that wrote this doesn't know what she's talking about...but she continues talking because she has an audience. 

thanks for sharing.  I don't think it has much utility, but maybe someone else will.

The kind of moron that had land in thier family for a LONG time and then tried to build on it. In order to get the permit for Well, septic, house has to provide an easement.

So, some other moron signed an unreasonable easement on their land????  Conservation easements are no different than right of way easements, egress easements, stumpage easements.... it's all about the language and what you sign up for.  Landowners can tailor an easement for any purpose and Wolfbates example here is misleading, at best.

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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #471 on: June 10, 2014, 07:43:23 AM »
If i want to actually use my land then i have to give some up to the state.... Not exactly giving an easement freely with the state strong arming you.
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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #472 on: June 10, 2014, 08:06:43 AM »
If i want to actually use my land then i have to give some up to the state.... Not exactly giving an easement freely with the state strong arming you.
I'm not following...the state used eminent domain?  Why exactly did they want a conservation easement?   

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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #473 on: June 10, 2014, 11:11:33 AM »
If you own a "large" piece of property that has ANY kind of water seasonl or otherwisen the state/county will require a conservation easement in order to give you a building permitt. A buddy of mine in Sno county built a barn for his cows on his 15 acres. He had to put 7 in a conservation easement plant native plants and put up a fence to keep his cows out. His pice didnt even have any water on it.

Growth Management Act has had a HUGE effect on property rights on this side of the mountains.
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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #474 on: June 10, 2014, 12:46:05 PM »
If you own a "large" piece of property that has ANY kind of water seasonl or otherwisen the state/county will require a conservation easement in order to give you a building permitt. A buddy of mine in Sno county built a barn for his cows on his 15 acres. He had to put 7 in a conservation easement plant native plants and put up a fence to keep his cows out. His pice didnt even have any water on it.

Growth Management Act has had a HUGE effect on property rights on this side of the mountains.
I can't speak to that.  If that is the case (and I have no reason not to believe you) then the growth management act would be a tough pill to swallow.  That would be entirely different than a conservation easement and it doesn't sound like it had anything to do with ESA. 

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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #475 on: June 10, 2014, 01:01:36 PM »
IF you want something that requires a permit then the GMA forces you into a conservation easement.  Now you dont Have to give the easement if your  not interested in making any improvements.

While this MAY not be specifically ESA related is IS a large movement to reduce the ability of individuals to use thier own property. I mostly point it out because There is a HINT of choice, but the rality is you are forced/coherced....
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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #476 on: June 16, 2014, 06:22:04 AM »
Potential FEMA Regulations Affecting Wallowa County Property Owners and Wolf Report
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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #477 on: August 28, 2014, 09:36:57 AM »

USFWS Withdraws Proposal To List North American Wolverine As Threatened Under ESA
Posted on Friday, August 22, 2014 (PST)
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service announced last week that it is withdrawing a proposal to list the North American wolverine in the contiguous United States as a threatened species under the Endangered Species Act.
 
The wolverine, a large member of the weasel family found in the Mountain West, has made a steady recovery in the past half century after hunting, trapping and poisoning nearly extirpated the species from the lower 48 states in the early 1900s.
 
Wolverine populations currently occur within the contiguous United States in the north Cascades Range in Washington and the northern Rockies of Montana, Idaho, Wyoming and a small portion of Oregon (Wallowa Range). Populations once existed in the Sierra Nevada of California and the southern Rocky Mountains in the states of Colorado, Wyoming and New Mexico.
 
While it is clear that the climate is warming, after carefully considering the best available science, the Service said it has determined that the effects of climate change are not likely to place the wolverine in danger of extinction now or in the foreseeable future.
 
As a result, the wolverine does not meet the statutory definition of either a “threatened species” or an “endangered species” and does not warrant protection under the ESA.
 
Service Director Dan Ashe’s decision to withdraw the listing proposal was informed by the consensus recommendation of the agency’s three regional directors for the regions encompassing the wolverine’s known range in the contiguous United States -- the Mountain Prairie, Pacific Northwest and Pacific Southwest regions.
 
The three directors made the recommendation based on a synthesis of the entire body of scientific evidence, according to the agency.
 
On Feb. 4, 2013, the Service proposed to list the wolverine as a threatened species under the ESA. On Dec. 17, 2013, the Service extended the deadline for its final decision by the maximum six-month period allowed under the ESA due to substantial disagreement regarding the sufficiency or accuracy of the available data relevant to the determination. Among the issues disputed was the potential impact of climate change on wolverine populations.
 
“Climate change is a reality, the consequences of which the Service deals with on a daily basis. While impacts to many species are clear and measurable, for others the consequences of a warming planet are less certain. This is particularly true in the Mountain West, where differences in elevation and topography make fine-scale prediction of climate impacts ambiguous,” said Ashe.
 
“In this case, based on all the information available, we simply do not know enough about the ecology of the wolverine and when or how it will be affected by a changing climate to conclude at this time that it is likely to be in danger of extinction within the foreseeable future.”
 
The Service initially proposed to list the wolverine based on climate-change-model forecasts showing overall loss of spring snow across the range of the species. However, upon conducting a more thorough review and gathering additional information, the Service found that climate change models are unable to reliably predict snowfall amounts and snow-cover persistence in wolverine denning locations.
 
ESA processes, and legal arguments, regarding the animal’s potential listing have been ongoing since the early 1990s.
 
Conservation groups that have long pressed the USFWS to cement a wolverine ESA listing say the fight will continue.
 
The USFWS decision announced this week “ignores the best available science, including advice from the Service’s own wildlife experts, conservation groups stated,” according to an Earthjustice press release. “In response to the decision, a coalition of nine groups will file notice of intention to sue the Service for refusal to protect the species under the Endangered Species Act.”
 
The groups represented by Earthjustice say politics, not sound science, drove the decision.
 
“The Service in February 2013 proposed to list the wolverine under the Endangered Species Act, but state wildlife officials in the Northern Rockies region opposed the proposed listing,” the press release says.
 
The groups signing on to the letter are the Center for Biological Diversity, Conservation Northwest, Defenders of Wildlife, Friends of the Clearwater, Greater Yellowstone Coalition, Idaho Conservation League, Jackson Hole Conservation Alliance, Klamath-Siskiyou Wildlands Center, and Rocky Mountain Wild.
 
 
"The Obama administration's short-sighted decision to reject the conclusions of their own scientists and withdraw endangered species protections for these iconic animals is part of a disturbing anti-conservation trend," said Noah Greenwald, endangered species director with the Center for Biological Diversity.
 
"Blatantly ignoring extensive science showing wolverines are in real trouble in order to bow to political pressure from states is precisely the kind of recipe for extinction that prompted passage of the Endangered Species Act in the first place," Greenwald said.
 
“The best available science shows climate change will significantly reduce available wolverine habitat over the next century, and imperil the species,” said Jackson Hole Conservation Alliance’s Siva Sundaresan.
 
“As an agency responsible for protecting our wildlife, FWS should not ignore science and should make their decisions based on facts and data.”
 
“Places like the Clearwater Basin in Idaho are particularly important for wolverines as they use the area as both a residence and migration route,” said Gary Macfarlane of Friends of the Clearwater. “The Clearwater Basin is also threatened due to the lower elevations of the mountains in this part of the Rockies.”
 
According to the conservation groups, no more than 300 wolverines remain in the mountains of the western United States. They say the species is at direct risk from climate change because wolverines depend on areas that maintain deep snow through late spring. That is when pregnant females dig their dens into the snowpack to birth and raise their young.
 
The agency says evidence suggests that wolverine populations grew and expanded in the second half of the last century and may continue to expand into suitable, unoccupied habitat. For example, wolverine sightings outside formerly known habitat occurred in the Sierra Nevada range in California in 2008 and in Colorado in 2012.
 
And in April 2014, a wolverine was seen in the Uinta Range of Utah -- the first confirmed sighting of the species in that state in some 30 years
 
Currently, there is insufficient evidence to conclude that wolverine habitat impacts due to the effects of climate change will affect the population in the foreseeable future, according to the federal agency.
 
“While we concluded that the wolverine does not merit Endangered Species Act protection at this time, this does not end our involvement in wolverine conservation,” said Ashe. “We will continue to work with our state partners as they manage for healthy and secure wolverine populations and monitor their status. If new information emerges that suggests we should take another look at listing, we will not hesitate to do that.”
 
Simultaneous with the withdrawal of the listing proposal, the Service is withdrawing a proposed special rule under Section 4(d) of the ESA that would have tailored protections to those needed for the conservation of the species, and a proposed nonessential-experimental-population designation for the southern Rocky Mountains of Colorado, New Mexico and Wyoming.

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I bet that was a no brainer, since they discovered wolves were killing wolverine.



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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #478 on: August 28, 2014, 09:53:26 AM »
Another environmental cash crop, think of the studies, and the grants. Land and hunting closures, I bet DoW, CNW and WDFW are clicking their heels together, $$$$$$$$

National Park Service considers moving grizzly bears into Washington's North Cascades

SEATTLE — The National Park Service said Thursday it will consider moving grizzly bears into the North Cascade Mountains of Washington state to aid their recovery.

The agency is launching a three-year process to study a variety of options for helping their population. Director Jonathan B. Jarvis stressed that the process is required under federal law but no decision had been made.

Native American tribes and conservation groups have pressed for years for the federal government to do more to bring back the bears.

"It marks the potential turning point in the decades-long decline of the last grizzly bears remaining on the U.S. West Coast," Joe Scott, international conservation director of Conservation Northwest, said in a written statement. "Without recovery efforts, these bears may soon be gone forever."

Numerous grizzly bears roamed north-central Washington state in the past, but early settlers and trappers killed thousands for fur in the mid-19th century. The region's booming population has also encroached on their habitat.

The tribes have cited their cultural connection to the bears in urging their preservation.

Federal authorities listed the grizzly bear as threatened in the lower 48 states in 1975 and ultimately designated five areas in Washington, Idaho, Montana and Wyoming to focus on boosting the population.

A small population of grizzlies exists in Washington's Selkirk Mountains, and the park service says the animals have been seen recently in the Cascades north of the Canadian border. But they haven't been seen in the Washington Cascades in years.

Officials have been looking hard, too. In the past three years, they've set up "hair-snare" traps — basically bait surrounded by stretches of barbed wire that snag samples of a bear's hair — in about one-third of the North Cascades region. The traps have produced many samples of black bear hair, as confirmed by DNA tests, but no grizzly hair, said Bob Everitt, northwest Washington regional director of the state Fish and Wildlife Department.

"It doesn't mean there aren't grizzly bears, but it sure suggests they're pretty rare," Everitt said.

In 1997, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service added a chapter on the North Cascades to its grizzly bear recovery plan. The document said that within five years, authorities should evaluate options for recovering bears in the region, which covers a 9,800-square-mile swath of north-central Washington state, including the eastern and western slopes of the Cascades, North Cascades National Park, Lake Chelan National Recreation Area, Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest and Mount Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest.

It suggested that a sustainable grizzly population in the North Cascades might be about 200 to 400 bears.

Since that chapter was added, some work has been done to improve conditions for grizzlies in the North Cascades that mainly involved securing garbage to keep bears away from humans, Everitt said.

"There's only so much you can do when you don't have any bears," he added.

A Washington Farm Bureau spokesman sounded a note of caution.

"Grizzly bears are incredible, wonderful animals," Tom Davis, Farm Bureau director of government relations, told The Seattle Times. "I just wouldn't want them living next door to me, and I think that's how farmers and ranchers ... feel."

Even though recovery efforts will occur primarily on federal lands, nearby private landowners are likely to be affected, said Jack Field, executive vice president of the Washington Cattlemen's Association.

Ranchers in the northeastern part of the state are already dealing with livestock losses caused by the return of wolf packs, Field told The Times.

Lawmakers made clear in the mid-1990s that they didn't want bears introduced in the state. A law passed at the time directs the Fish and Wildlife Department to work to encourage the natural recovery of grizzly populations but says: "Grizzly bears shall not be transplanted or introduced into the state. Only grizzly bears that are native to Washington state may be utilized by the department for management programs. "

The park service said it would work with the U.S. Forest Service, the state and the public in making any decisions, including about whether to bring grizzlies into the area.

"Grizzly bears are controversial," Everitt said. "We want to make sure everyone is heard on this issue before it gets concluded."


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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #479 on: August 28, 2014, 10:29:11 AM »
"The park service said it would work with the U.S. Forest Service, the state and the public in making any decisions, including about whether to bring grizzlies into the area.

"Grizzly bears are controversial," Everitt said. "We want to make sure everyone is heard on this issue before it gets concluded."

 :yike: There is your LAUGH for the day! :o

Been there, Done that!!  It will be the SAME(and worse) as when the "Public" was heard(NOT) when the salmon and spotted owl made the new whipping listing(tool) by said groups above!!
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