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Offline boneaddict

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Re: Lies and threats
« Reply #30 on: September 15, 2012, 06:22:16 AM »
You are correct in one way of thinking Bowhunter, the animal is NOT the landowners, however they do not have to let the warden, sheriff or anyone else for that manner on their property to retrieve it.   They can deny access to all if they want to be stinkers about it, Bobcat is right.   There was a big stink about a huge bull last year or year before that went onto private land.   They let it ROT.  They tried to get the courts involved. NO DEAL   They tried to nail him on wastage of big game.  It didn't fly

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Re: Lies and threats
« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2012, 06:30:42 AM »
If you can't tell where the property lines are (no fences or no signs) then you can't get cited for trespassing unless they tell you that you are trespassing and you continue to stay there or come back after you've been told. 

In other words if you are on the State timber land and wander onto adjacent private timber land while you're hunting, you can't be prosecuted for trespassing if you can't tell one property from the other.

You can't be prosecuted or they're not likely to?
Either way you should know where the lines are and if you're not give them a wide berth.

 :yeah:

IIRC, Wa. state property owners, or their appointed representatives, are not required to post their land as private, or in any other way, including by fences, in order to prosecute for trespass. It's up to the individual that's out for a walk, hunting, etc.,  to know or find out who it belongs to. Then, of course, ask for permission. A level-headed property owner may be less likely to press charges, but it's legal for them to do so. Sometimes the "it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission" rule applies, but it may still cost you in the end.
this is funny ...I went fishing the other day and parked along the road on the farmers property ....when I get this call at the river ...IS THIS JB ...I say yes it is , he says well JB your parking on private land and if you do it again I will have it towed ...I said well Guess I can not hide when I have my name posted on my truck for my business ...he LAUGHED AND SAID PLEASE DO NOT PARK THERE because if I let you then everyone will want to ...I have heard this saying before over and over when trying to get permission to hunt ....well if I let you then I will have to let others  :dunno: :dunno: :rolleyes: :chuckle:

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Re: Lies and threats
« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2012, 06:36:00 AM »
You are correct in one way of thinking Bowhunter, the animal is NOT the landowners, however they do not have to let the warden, sheriff or anyone else for that manner on their property to retrieve it.   They can deny access to all if they want to be stinkers about it, Bobcat is right.   There was a big stink about a huge bull last year or year before that went onto private land.   They let it ROT.  They tried to get the courts involved. NO DEAL   They tried to nail him on wastage of big game.  It didn't fly
tHE LAND OWNER LET IT ROT ? If thats the case he should of been busted !



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Re: Lies and threats
« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2012, 11:42:48 AM »
It may be unethical in our regards to let the animal rot and not be retrieved but there is no law against it so he can not be busted.........not a game issue....it is a property and tresspassing issue with the owner holding all the cards............Les

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Re: Lies and threats
« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2012, 12:12:29 AM »
If you can't tell where the property lines are (no fences or no signs) then you can't get cited for trespassing unless they tell you that you are trespassing and you continue to stay there or come back after you've been told. 

In other words if you are on the State timber land and wander onto adjacent private timber land while you're hunting, you can't be prosecuted for trespassing if you can't tell one property from the other.

You can't be prosecuted or they're not likely to?
Either way you should know where the lines are and if you're not give them a wide berth.

 :yeah:

IIRC, Wa. state property owners, or their appointed representatives, are not required to post their land as private, or in any other way, including by fences, in order to prosecute for trespass. It's up to the individual that's out for a walk, hunting, etc.,  to know or find out who it belongs to. Then, of course, ask for permission. A level-headed property owner may be less likely to press charges, but it's legal for them to do so. Sometimes the "it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission" rule applies, but it may still cost you in the end.

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RCW 9A.52.080
Criminal trespass in the second degree.
   

(1) A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the second degree if he or she knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in or upon premises of another under circumstances not constituting criminal trespass in the first degree.

The law says "knowingly".  If you don't know you're trespassing, then you are not trespassing in the eyes of the law.


Nice! I'll make sure to not knowingly trespass on Weyco land tomorrow!   :chuckle:

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Re: Lies and threats
« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2012, 01:47:25 AM »
be careful with that tig, if you get caught trespassing on weyco land they charge you and then get a restraining order against you so you cant go on there land period, happened to a guy i know, walk behind a gate when it was fire season, the land was closed for all access, he cant step on any weyco land period for work or play.
hey anybody got a towel, i just hit a waterbuffalo

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Re: Lies and threats
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2012, 07:44:31 AM »
mainer78,

Hunt the crap out of that place.  NEVER tell them you killed anything. Spend non-hunting time over there with your kids.  Get it dialed in and take advantage of it.   
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Re: Lies and threats
« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2012, 08:27:21 AM »
The law recently changed with respect to retrieval.  SB 6135 became effective in June.  Here is the pertinent section:

(2) In any prosecution under this section, it is a defense that: ... (d) The actor, after making all reasonable attempts to contact the owner of the premises, retrieved the hunted wildlife for the sole purpose of avoiding a violation of the prohibition on the waste of fish and wildlife as provided in RCW 77.15.170. The defense in this subsection only applies to the retrieval of hunted wildlife and not to the actual act of hunting itself.

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Re: Lies and threats
« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2012, 09:38:39 AM »
The law recently changed with respect to retrieval.  SB 6135 became effective in June.  Here is the pertinent section:

(2) In any prosecution under this section, it is a defense that: ... (d) The actor, after making all reasonable attempts to contact the owner of the premises, retrieved the hunted wildlife for the sole purpose of avoiding a violation of the prohibition on the waste of fish and wildlife as provided in RCW 77.15.170. The defense in this subsection only applies to the retrieval of hunted wildlife and not to the actual act of hunting itself.

That's pretty cool in cases where you can't contact the property owner...I don't see anything to address property owners who refuse access and let the animal rot though. :(

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Re: Lies and threats
« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2012, 02:01:17 PM »
If that happend to me I would hope to get a few pictures of the rack call fish and game.  If nothing happens then move on.  I did that in Wyoming and the rancher was pissed the first time as he was selling trespassing fee's. 
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