An instructor sure pissed me off today!

[CedarPants]

You're welcome

[Mudman]

No offense but all of these required classes are a big fat joke.  A violation of our rights.  You can legally buy a gun but not hunt with it?  We used to teach our kids, what happened?  I ran around on my bicycle with my gun at 11 years old.  So did our parents.  Now a legislator knows best? I dont like it.  Safety is great, yes and so are classes but to require it simply puts our rights at their whim and desire.  Remember the old classes? Were they bad?  Probably better then, because they werent managed by the gov.

[Holg3107]

No offense but all of these required classes are a big fat joke.  A violation of our rights.  You can legally buy a gun but not hunt with it?  We used to teach our kids, what happened?  I ran around on my bicycle with my gun at 11 years old.  So did our parents.  Now a legislator knows best? I dont like it.  Safety is great, yes and so are classes but to require it simply puts our rights at their whim and desire.  Remember the old classes? Were they bad?  Probably better then, because they werent managed by the gov.

Really??? so do you think taking a drivers test is a joke? I dont think your example of riding around with your gun at 11 years old is a good representation of why hunters education courses shouldnt exist. 

show up early, get your class done before its 1 week before season, follow the outlined rules, get over yourself your not above the rules, its a one time course get it done and move on.

[Mudman]

Is the right to drive in constitution?  And ya I do think it is a good example.  My father and family taught me more then any class will.  Im tired of giving up freedoms too keep idiots safe.  Give em a gun or a car and let em take themselves out, just like they did 50years ago.

[Holg3107]

Is the right to drive in constitution?  And ya I do think it is a good example.  My father and family taught me more then any class will.  I'm tired of giving up freedoms too keep idiots safe.  Give em a gun or a car and let em take themselves out, just like they did 50years ago.

Last I checked the right to hunt is not in the constitution. The right to bear arms is (very different). I agree that I learned most everything from my parents when it came to hunting and the ethics that go along with it (I also grew up out in the country). I'm unsure of your age Mudman but this isn't the 50's and not everyone lives out in the sticks or with parents who are able to expose them and educate them about the responsibilities that go along with gun ownership and hunting. The goal is not to keep idiots safe, the goal is to keep the everyone safe. The problem is the idiots are not taking themselves out (as you mentioned), they are taking out others. Hunters ed will not stop this but it may help.

And offer a course for those that want it and make them pass the same test the guys that don't want the course.

I have no idea what this means?

99% of it comes down to personal responsibly, most of the guys that are going to have or cause problems in the field are going to no matter how many hours of class they are required to take.

  I couldn't agree more with this statement, but it puts more responsibility on the individual since they have passed and are "educated" now. It makes it easier to justify violations and harder for people to play the ignorant card when they are doing something illegal.

[Mudman]

I believe the right to hunt is in our constitution in many ways.  Our country, including minerals water and animals.  Our right to freedom and prosperity, protection from others including gov. and wild animals, I think it is covered just not specifically.  But it should be and there is a movement to clear this up!!  And the seatbelt argument is exactly what I speak of in reference to laws and freedoms.  Bad law that then was morphed into more freedoms being taken and all of a sudden you dont like it anymore.  This has been the attack plan on gun rights for years.  Regulating hunting under the idea of safety is just another way of gun regulation period.  If the Gov. is not involved then I think it is great for everybody to be taught or reminded of safety and ethics.  The unsafe city idiot has the same right I do whether I like it or not and I will not support his rights being regulated in any way because it leads to mine as well.  The Gov. needs to operate in its cons. boundary. Asks yourselves what will be next.  When some idiots do something stupid and its plastered all over liberal news what will our wonderful gun hating democratic legislators do next?  Give em an inch and they take a mile!  Remember when seatbelt law passed they promised they would not pull you over for it, howz that working?  The list goes on foreever.

[Lunchbox1981]

Not that I care one way or the other about the class, but reading this I can see who has never been in the military. Try 15 minutes late to formation and see how important or not it is. 15 minutes late to work every week? Guess why you are not getting the raise and promotion the guy who isn't 15 minutes late gets. May seem like no big deal, but it is.

This isn't the military. This is a safety class that tells the obvious.

Several people were there on time and you being late is disrupting their class.

Really? Is it that disturbing to open and close a door. Ok.

I haven't made to the end of this topic yet but I had to post.  So if this was already posted my bad.

15 Minutes late is disrespectful to everyone that has taken their time to make it on time.  I know that there are always circumstances and things happen.  When they do you suck it up and move on.  Now I am not saying that the instructor acted right but we don't hear his side of the story.  Were you 5-10 minutes late according to your time or 5-10 minutes late past the "Normal 15 Minutes" (no normal to that.

And the second thing folks keep saying is the safety class just tells the obvious.  Obvious to one is not obvious to another.  If this was true we wouldn't see at least 10 topics a year about don't use your scope as Bino's and point them at other hunters.  Something that's obvious and taught at hunters safety courses.  Maybe more people should pay attention to the course that just tells the obvious".

Just my 2 cents on the topic.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

We are responsible if we are late, period.  An unyielding hardnosed jerk does not care if you stopped to give cpr to a dying man or if you had a wrong turn.  They dont care if it was their directions that put you in another county.  Its Your responsibility....  What a jerk.  Its not a life or death meeting.   

If it wasn't a life or death meeting, Why is PP acting like it was? For crying out loud, He could have called days ahead of time and gotten detailed instructions of how to get there. Instead, he waited 'til the last minute and relied on his GPS. Who's fault is that? And why wait 'til the last chance to get checked out? If I was the instructor all this would say to me, "This gal isn't taking this class seriously."

And of course the instructor delivered the message, then turned and walked away. What did PP expect. He was going to stand there arguing with him while he had students waiting for instruction? He was going to go mano a mano with him and if PP won, his wife got to go in?

If he let anyone late come in, then he had to let the next guy. How late does he have to let someone in. All you late people interrupted his class. He should have just locked the door at starting time.

There's an old saying. "Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part."

I'll bet PP and his wife aren't late next time.

But I hope he's 15 min late getting out hunting, cuz guys like me will already be where he wants to go and might already have an animal down when he gets there.

[Lunchbox1981]

Reading through some of these posts reminded me of an old quote I had hung above my desk.  And this is not directed at any one person on here just thought I would share.

"Piss poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine".

One of my favorite old quotes.  I will have to dig this back out for my new desk.  LOL

[pianoman9701]

I believe the right to hunt is in our constitution in many ways.  Our country, including minerals water and animals.  Our right to freedom and prosperity, protection from others including gov. and wild animals, I think it is covered just not specifically.  But it should be and there is a movement to clear this up!!  And the seatbelt argument is exactly what I speak of in reference to laws and freedoms.  Bad law that then was morphed into more freedoms being taken and all of a sudden you dont like it anymore.  This has been the attack plan on gun rights for years.  Regulating hunting under the idea of safety is just another way of gun regulation period.  If the Gov. is not involved then I think it is great for everybody to be taught or reminded of safety and ethics.  The unsafe city idiot has the same right I do whether I like it or not and I will not support his rights being regulated in any way because it leads to mine as well.  The Gov. needs to operate in its cons. boundary. Asks yourselves what will be next.  When some idiots do something stupid and its plastered all over liberal news what will our wonderful gun hating democratic legislators do next?  Give em an inch and they take a mile!  Remember when seatbelt law passed they promised they would not pull you over for it, howz that working?  The list goes on foreever.

We have no right to hunt and should actively pursue that and have it added to our state's constitution. It will help us maintain our gun rights. I agree with that.

There is no right to prosperity, only the pursuit of happiness. A right to prosperity smacks of socialism. If there were a right to prosperity, I would stop working yesterday.

In my limited HE teaching experience, for the first class, there are usually one or two who are late. We've dealt with that by saying to the whole class that if anyone's late from here on, they will not be allowed to continue. 1 minute late or 15 - that's the rule. This is not to say that every instructor is required to make an exception in the first class. It only says that's what has happened in mine. The argument of being only a little late is similar to being a little pregnant. You're still late. Although there may well be mitigating circumstances, everyone could have them and there would be chaos. Either you're on time or you're not. If you stop to save someone's life, you've made a decision that doing so is more important than that which you'd previously committed to, and rightfully so.

When I ran a resort in NH, people who were late to work were either sent home or they lost a day later in the week. Rarely was anyone ever late for work. My favorite question was, "if being on time meant that you would make a $million, would you be on time?" So by not being on time, you're telling me that I'm not worth it to you.

I think you guys could possibly have been better prepared to be on time and that possibly, the instructor could have handled it differently. I say possibly for both because I wasn't there.

[Mudman]

prosperity was a bad word choice, I was shooting from the hip! Keep in mind when const. was written there was no hunting season.  It was a fact of life you hunted when needed just like you poop when needed.  It was a given and no need to mention.

[pianoman9701]

prosperity was a bad word choice, I was shooting from the hip! Keep in mind when const. was written there was no hunting season.  It was a fact of life you hunted when needed just like you poop when needed.  It was a given and no need to mention.

 

[winshooter88]

The reason that the WDFW has to do hunter ed is because they receive money from the federal government. The feds have certain things that they say you have to do to get certain funds for wildlife is the way I understand it.

[pianoman9701]

The reason that the WDFW has to do hunter ed is because they receive money from the federal government. The feds have certain things that they say you have to do to get certain funds for wildlife is the way I understand it.

Not to mention that since Hunter Education had commenced, incidents of hunting accidents have dropped dramatically. It's good for our sport to have it.

[Bob33]

The reason that the WDFW has to do hunter ed is because they receive money from the federal government. The feds have certain things that they say you have to do to get certain funds for wildlife is the way I understand it.

I do not believe the state is required to provide hunter education training. A portion of Pittman-Robertson funds must be used for hunter education, but if a state does not offer hunter education they simply would not receive that portion of the funds. All states offer some form of hunter education.