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Re: Commission invites public comments ... livestock compensation
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2012, 10:58:25 AM »
The Commission invited the public to comment on several occassions prior to adopting the wolf management plan.

Is the public comment really anything more than just a formality if they already have their minds made up what they are going to do?  They proposed a wolf plan, took public comment, then moved forward with the very plan they proposed.

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Re: Commission invites public comments ... livestock compensation
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2012, 11:44:37 AM »
It's all about allocation. None of the wildlife damage compensation funds are fully funded. It is my understanding that the wolf compensation fund is seperate from the rest. They force some to play along and they will get paid for losses. The rest will be out in the cold.
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Re: Commission invites public comments ... livestock compensation
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2012, 12:24:51 PM »
God help us.
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Re: Commission invites public comments ... livestock compensation
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2012, 12:41:46 PM »
I would like to see how many Ranchers sign an aggreement with the department. I would guess to say not many people will unless it is a high dollar amount. I know my family and many other ranchers in Klickitat County wouldn't sign any agreement with Fish and Feathers. They know that the state doesn't care about what happens to them.

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Re: Commission invites public comments ... livestock compensation
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2012, 04:10:56 PM »

Wolf management will require cooperation, more money
Posted by Rich
Oct. 23, 2012 6:07 a.m.  •   
ENDANGERED SPECIES — Wolves continue to consume, among other things, a lot of time, money and attention in Washington.

Read on for an Associated Press report that rounds up what state Fish and Wildlife officials are doing and proposing as we head into winter, a critical time for wildlife as well as for wildlife officials seeking funding from the Legislature.



By PHUONG LE

Associated Press
SEATTLE — Taking aim from a helicopter flying over northeastern Washington state, a marksman last month killed the alpha male of a wolf pack that had repeatedly attacked a rancher's cattle. The shooting put an end to the so-called Wedge pack, but it did little to quell the controversy over wolves in the state.

The issue has been so explosive that state wildlife officials received death threats and the head of the Fish and Wildlife Commission warned the public at a recent hearing in Olympia on wolves that uniformed and undercover officers were in the room ready to act.

More conflicts between wolves and livestock are inevitable, officials say, as wolves in Washington recover, growing in number more quickly than expected. The animals numbered a handful in 2008, and are now estimated at between 80 and 100.

“What are we going to do so we don't have this again?” asked Steve Pozzanghera, a Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife regional director.

He said officials are trying to be proactive to prevent the need to kill wolves in the future. They plan to collar more wolves this winter to keep better track of them. They plan to ask the Legislature to beef up money to compensate livestock owners whose animals are killed by wolves. And they're urging livestock operators to sign agreements with the state to share the cost of using a broad range of non-lethal measures to prevent livestock-wolf conflicts.

So far, only one livestock owner has signed an agreement, with four to six others in the hopper - underscoring the challenges the agency faces as it tries to recover the endangered native species while encouraging social tolerance of the wolves by minimizing livestock losses.

“We understand there is some resistance out there,” said Pozzanghera, but the agency is committed to working with ranchers and cattlemen.

“The whole situation is really tragic, most of all because it could have been avoided,” said Jasmine Minbashian, of the nonprofit Conservation Northwest, which supported the decision in the end to kill the wolf pack because the animals had become reliant on livestock.

“If you remove the pack without changing something on the ground, this situation is bound to repeat itself,” she said.

The Stevens County Cattlemen's Association is urging its roughly 50 members not to sign those agreements. It wants the commission to remove gray wolves from the state endangered list in Eastern Washington in the near future.

“Our guys are willing to use these nonlethal methods … The problem is these methods are not always effective,” said the group's spokeswoman Jamie Henneman, noting the agreements address only symptoms. “The illness happens to be that we're oversaturated with wolves.”

Grey wolves are protected as an endangered species throughout Washington state. The animals are federally listed as endangered only in the western two-thirds of the state. Removing the animals from the state endangered list could open the way to future wolf hunting.

While Montana, Idaho and Wyoming have been grappling with wolves in the past decade, Washington has dealt with wolves only in recent years. In 2008, a wolf pack was documented for the first time in 70 years. Now, there are eight confirmed packs, with four others suspected.

The killing of seven members of the Wedge Pack - named for the area they inhabit along the Canadian border near Laurier - has prompted an outcry from some wolf advocates. Some have criticized the owners of the Diamond M ranch for not taking enough non-lethal measures.

“As far as I know, we've done everything that they suggested might be effective,” Bill McIrvin said during a recent Olympia hearing. McIrvin is one of the owners of the ranch, where wolves killed or injured at least 17 animals on both private and public land. The ranch employed cowboys, delayed the turnout of their cow-calf pairs until the animals were bigger and quickly removed injured cattle, state officials said.

Wildlife officials say they're working on new rules to compensate ranchers for losses, including for reduced weight gain or reduced pregnancy rates.

Ranchers who sign onto nonlethal agreements with WDFW would have priority for livestock compensation.

Sam Kayser, an Ellensburg cattle rancher, said he signed an agreement with the state because he knows wolves will eventually target his cattle and he wanted help.

“What are the wolves going to eat? They're going to eat elk. If the elk numbers go short, they're going to eat my cattle,” said Kayser, whose cattle graze on thousands of acres of private land that he leases in central Washington.

“Fish and Wildlife (department) was trying to be proactive and I was trying to be a little proactive myself,” he added.

The state is sharing the cost of a range rider who stays with the cattle to make sure they don't become prey to wolves.

Range riders have been used in other states to prevent wolf-livestock conflicts. A pilot project in Stevens County over the summer is testing the concept in this state. Officials have been working with a rancher there and will review the success of that project in coming months to see whether and how it can be duplicated elsewhere.

Kayser says he and other cattlemen saw the conflicts coming.

“If they're willing to try, I'm willing to try,” Kayser said. “(But) I think it's putting off the eventuality of what's going to be.”

Heres an article from the Spokesman Review'

http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdoors/2012/oct/23/wolf-management-will-require-cooperation-more-money/#more



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Re: Commission invites public comments ... livestock compensation
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2012, 06:25:14 PM »
A simple way to fix the problem is take a statewide poll as to who wants the wolves and who does not.  Anyone marking yes can pay every fee to monitor them, pay ranchers for losses, helicopters hours, biologists time, gamewarden hours, investigation of dead or "poached" wolves or any other costs to keep wolves here. 

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Re: Commission invites public comments ... livestock compensation
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2012, 10:23:12 PM »
Public comments are a waste of time.  A multitude of public comments against the wolves were heard and some of the members of the wolf group that supposedly designed the wolf plan were against the plan to begin with and never agreed to it.  The wolf lovers have the reigns and they will do what they want to do regardless of our comments.   WDFW chose the number of 15 pairs long before the wolf plan was ever designed and it was used as the target.  WHY?   
  Public comments are only a procedure they go through with deaf ears.  The wolf lovers will flood the comments from their city dwellings and the ranchers and hunters will have to suffer the consequences.  The wolf lovers will sit at home and read or watch on TV the blood and monetary sacrafices the ranchers make and accuse them as being greedy, money hungry, self centered ranchers that have no regard for the environment.
 Allowing wolves to overpopulate is NOT wildlife management.  They have already reached that level in Eastern Washington.

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Re: Commission invites public comments ... livestock compensation
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2012, 11:03:29 PM »
:yike:  I'm sure there are going to be a few geuinni pigs that will sign up, but if EVERYONE signed up there would be NO $$$ for compensation...Signing an agreement with the State is like doing a deal with the Mob. Once your in its IMPOSSIBLE to get out!

Signing an agreement with any gov't is like doing a deal with the mob because the gov't is THEE mob.

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Re: Commission invites public comments ... livestock compensation
« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2012, 08:20:01 AM »
I just don't get it.... How can any animal lover want an animal around that kills all the other animals? These people need to quit watching Disney. This isn't a cartoon you wolf loving dumb***es

Here's what else I don't understand. We (hunters, fisherman, outdoors, etc) are the ones paying thousands of dollars to the state each year for all kinds of licenses and passes. Why are we the ones getting shafted? Why is it that people on the other aide of the state that rarely get up in the woods on the eastside have a say in this?

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Re: Commission invites public comments ... livestock compensation
« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2012, 08:24:45 AM »
I just don't get it.... How can any animal lover want an animal around that kills all the other animals? These people need to quit watching Disney. This isn't a cartoon you wolf loving dumb***es

Here's what else I don't understand. We (hunters, fisherman, outdoors, etc) are the ones paying thousands of dollars to the state each year for all kinds of licenses and passes. Why are we the ones getting shafted? Why is it that people on the other aide of the state that rarely get up in the woods on the eastside have a say in this?

You'll figure it out when there's nothing to hunt. Wolves are only a pawn in the anti-hunting game. Take away the game, take away the hunting. No more dead Bambi at the hands of the ruthless humans (apparently, they'd rather see them die slowly, being eaten alive by a pack of wolves). It's truly bizarre how these people think.
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Re: Commission invites public comments ... livestock compensation
« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2012, 08:31:35 AM »
Well if all the deer and elk are gone then I guess we'll just have to start hunting greenies. It'll be just like the book most dangerous game.
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Re: Commission invites public comments ... livestock compensation
« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2012, 08:32:14 AM »
All the vegetarians I've eaten taste great! :tup:
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Re: Commission invites public comments ... livestock compensation
« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2012, 08:40:39 AM »
Well if all the deer and elk are gone then I guess we'll just have to start hunting greenies. It'll be just like the book most dangerous game.
 :yike:
I dunno I've already hunted man, its really not that challenging. Eye sight is questionable, sense of smell sucks so you don't need to play the wind, hearing moderate so no need to sneak, and are the easiest animal in the world to pattern. :dunno:

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Re: Commission invites public comments ... livestock compensation
« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2012, 08:44:44 AM »
Well if all the deer and elk are gone then I guess we'll just have to start hunting greenies. It'll be just like the book most dangerous game.
 :yike:
I dunno I've already hunted man, its really not that challenging. Eye sight is questionable, sense of smell sucks so you don't need to play the wind, hearing moderate so no need to sneak, and are the easiest animal in the world to pattern. :dunno:

I think I'm ready. Hunting elk is hard. It takes being in shape (and I don't mean round as the shape), you have to work hard. I could use the break. How much do you think the tags will be?
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Re: Commission invites public comments ... livestock compensation
« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2012, 08:48:25 AM »
In this state? You know wdfw will rape you for the tag!

 


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