WDFW!!!!!

[dscubame]

WOW!

So if you were to buy a powerball ticket and not get drawn are you going to ask for your money back as well?
Ya roll the dice and take your chances!!!

 

[Chesapeake]

One more try, then I'm done with this conversation.
 
First thanks to those who've had non-negative thoughtful comments dispite dissagreeing with me. Yeah I know its the web. 

CEM3434, Yes absolutely I would have passed on the bull I took had I been looking forward to hunting it the last 2 weeks of December. I likely would have just stayed home and saved my vacation time for December. I've hunted muzzy for over a decade. I experienced the years when the late muzzy seasons went well into December in some of the better units.  The years before they cut them back to the end of November to reduce the muzzy elk harvest in those units. I know all to well how good the hunting can be when the snow pushes the animals down and there is good tracking snow. Snow makes elk hunters very happy. Late December snow is almost a given.   

Muzzy bull in Margaret the last 2 weeks of December would be a great bull tag. Arguably one of the best tags offered on the SW side of the state for a muzzy guy(not that you couldnt make a similar snow tag in several of the units). In my mind no doubt that would be a "Quality" tag. A great chance at the best Margaret has to offer. Far greater than the Oct. 6-12 hunt I had.

So the guys that still happen to have a tag get a shot at a "Quality Margaret hunt", while those of us who happen to have filled our tags get nothing.

This conversation isnt about the cow tags. Thats a grocery run. I wouldnt be concerned about giving guys an extended grocery run over those of us that have the freezer full already. There is no large disparity between the quality difference on a cow tag. So for all you guys commenting about cow tags. This conversation doesnt involve you. One more time, I'm not saying "dont give out the extended hunt". I'm saying "give out the extended hunt for those with tags, give back the points for those without tags".

I kind of feel for the WDFW guys. Their message boxes are full, they are getting swamped with phone calls over all this, and they have opened a giant bag of worms. Now next year and for years to follow whenever there is fire closures folks will expect these points returns and season extensions.

[Boss .300 winmag]

What did you want from this thread? 

[Chesapeake]

What did you want from this thread? 

What does anyone want from any thread?

Thoughtful conversation and discusion from all points of view was what I was looking for. I got it to about the degree expected. I know its alot to ask. I'm aware of the audience and expected many wouldnt agree with me. I understand that.

 

[dscubame]

I am happy for those guys who now get the opportunity to hunt it.

[Curly]

I am happy for those guys who now get the opportunity to hunt it.

 

I'm fairly disgusted with WDFW on pretty much every issue these days.  But WDFW can't control the weather, or the private timber company's closing of the lands.  So, I think it is a good thing that they are giving the permit guys some more time.

I see Chesapeake's complaint too though, but I wouldn't go as far as to agree that he should get points back.   

[Chesapeake]

I'm a glutton for argument.......

So lets look at this another way. They are offering "points restoration" for some situations, and "extended hunts" for others where they can.

They offered me the extended hunt because they didnt look to see who filled tags. They just offered all the tag holders the same deal. So I could assume that for situations where they offered "points restoration" due to not being able to offer an extended hunt, both the folks that have tagged elk, and those that have not would all get their points restored.

So in the "points restoration" situation having tagged an elk wouldnt affect who of the permit holders got to recieve the "compensation".

Only in the "extended hunt" situation does one group of permit holders get compensated while the other does not, based purely on if you have filled your elk tag.

Maybe by explaining it that way some folks can understand my standpoint of "uneven compensation".

I too am pleased that folks get more hunting time and that WDFW worked with Wyco to make it happen. 

[nailbender]

Show me a situation where they gave points back to someone After they filled their tag... then you might have a point. Then one could also say that person never reported their harvest and took advantage of a situation.

You didn't have to hunt the tiny area that was public.. you choose to do so and were successful. Congrats. But No, you shouldn't get a refund with your points.. as they extended the season for all recipients of the permits effected, you included. Bottom line is you notched your tag... no do overs.

[bowhunterty]

Should have hunted the backcountry liked the archery hunters. And once again it's not a quality tag. There was still access on the eastside. The archery hunters ran into the same problem. Shouldn't the archery hunters get an extended season also? I don't agree. You still had areas to hunt.

[mtman]

You wasted 14 points the the day you put in for the margaret. Wdfw didnt change much for you or anybody.

[bowhunterty]

Don't think he wasted 14 bull pts. I had a Margaret tag, drew with 12pts. Was a great hunt worthy of my bull pts.

[mtman]

Dont see to many Big ones come out of that unit. The units open for general season Probably Produce Just as many big bulls as the margaret.

[elkfins]

So the guys that still happen to have a tag get a shot at a "Quality Margaret hunt", while those of us who happen to have filled our tags get nothing.

This whole thread makes you sound like a spoiled child but this particular quote is the icing on the cake.

umm...  you filled your tag but got nothing??? What happened to the bull you filled your tag on?  that's nothing? 
Sure, it sucks the land was closed when your permit hunt was scheduled but  you should've done your homework and realized that was a possiblity before you applied.  Sounds like a bunch of WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA to me.

[bowhunterty]

True but there a lot of bulls and it was a fun hunt. Everyone has a different definition of a quality hunt. There are good bulls in the Margaret if you want to work for it. But for a bull hunt it was worth it to me. I took a 4pt opening day. I took him because I called him in from over 400 yds away. Easy shot 20 yds. My girlfriend was with me and caught the whole thing on video. It was more about the experience, the opportunity, and showing my girlfriend what hunting can be like.

[billythekidrock]

So the guys that still happen to have a tag get a shot at a "Quality Margaret hunt", while those of us who happen to have filled our tags get nothing.

Uh, no. You got an elk.