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Re: Indians Slaughtering Deer and Elk (pics)
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2012, 03:58:01 AM »
...and I just told you they don't hunt all year long but once again you said they hunt all year long. Here, this time I'll type it slow so you can read it better   they   don't    hunt   all  year   long    the    hunting    season    is     six   months    long.  :bash:

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Re: Indians Slaughtering Deer and Elk (pics)
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2012, 04:17:31 AM »
Because when I go to the Colville Reservation I see more deer than I do on the other side of the river and north of the reservation. I'm not a scientist but me thinks that's because THEY ARE NOT KILLING AS MANY ANIMALS. Is that possible or is it some other phenom?


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Re: Indians Slaughtering Deer and Elk (pics)
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2012, 04:18:01 AM »
...and I just told you they don't hunt all year long but once again you said they hunt all year long. Here, this time I'll type it slow so you can read it better   they   don't    hunt   all  year   long    the    hunting    season    is     six   months    long.  :bash:

I don't think he's assuming perfect ethics are involved so say it again and you'll probably get the same answer.

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Because when I go to the Colville Reservation I see more deer than I do on the other side of the river and north of the reservation. I'm not a scientist but me thinks that's because THEY ARE NOT KILLING AS MANY ANIMALS. Is that possible or is it some other phenom?

I see the exact opposite as what you stated about the Colville Reservation. 
Kindly do not attempt to cloud the issue with too many facts.

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Re: Indians Slaughtering Deer and Elk (pics)
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2012, 04:21:10 AM »
...and I just told you they don't hunt all year long but once again you said they hunt all year long. Here, this time I'll type it slow so you can read it better   they   don't    hunt   all  year   long    the    hunting    season    is     six   months    long.  :bash:

I don't think he's assuming perfect ethics are involved so say it again and you'll probably get the same answer.

and

Because when I go to the Colville Reservation I see more deer than I do on the other side of the river and north of the reservation. I'm not a scientist but me thinks that's because THEY ARE NOT KILLING AS MANY ANIMALS. Is that possible or is it some other phenom?

I see the exact opposite as what you stated about the Colville Reservation. 


Do you go there often?


Because when I go to the Colville Reservation I see more deer than I do on the other side of the river and north of the reservation. I'm not a scientist but me thinks that's because THEY ARE NOT KILLING AS MANY ANIMALS. Is that possible or is it some other phenom?


it is your perception of what you think you see without any facts.


That sums up your entire argument very well actually.

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Re: Indians Slaughtering Deer and Elk (pics)
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2012, 04:22:45 AM »
Can you show some facts GrainfedMuley?

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Re: Indians Slaughtering Deer and Elk (pics)
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2012, 04:29:36 AM »

Do you go there often?


Yep.  I've spent months of my life around 13 Mile and Swan Lake and everywhere near there.

I've been on the Res plenty too.  Not saying I know more about it than everyone, maybe not even you.

I DO know I've seen many groups of does that flee at the first sight of any vehicle while you pass by them up the San Poil canyon/valley.  Interestingly, their cousins fifteen miles north don't do that because they aren't shot at all year long.

I think there are more bears on the Reservation there too which might be a factor in lower deer numbers.
Kindly do not attempt to cloud the issue with too many facts.

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Re: Indians Slaughtering Deer and Elk (pics)
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2012, 04:31:06 AM »
Can you show some facts GrainfedMuley?


Can you?
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Re: Indians Slaughtering Deer and Elk (pics)
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2012, 04:37:01 AM »
Good answer. Asking the same question that was just asked of you is what really smart people do. Yes, I did several posts ago. I showed that over 33,000 deer are killed during the WDFW hunting seasons. Do you really think that tribal members kill over 33,000 deer in this state?

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Re: Indians Slaughtering Deer and Elk (pics)
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2012, 04:49:54 AM »
Good answer. Asking the same question that was just asked of you is what really smart people do. Yes, I did several posts ago. I showed that over 33,000 deer are killed during the WDFW hunting seasons. Do you really think that tribal members kill over 33,000 deer in this state?





Yes, with all the tribal land in this state and the Native American population able to hunt all year long, it is quite possible to take that many animals. And yes I asked you the same question that you asked me because you are the one that started to claim your side of the debate with so called facts that were only half true. Because you have no harvest reports from tribal land. So your argument is one sided.
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Re: Indians Slaughtering Deer and Elk (pics)
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2012, 05:00:50 AM »
They don't hunt all year long. Now that's the third time I've said that. Since you are having since a hard time comprehending that simple part of the argument I'm beginning to think that you only want to hear or believe what you want.

The wildlife management by the Colville Tribe is widely documented and is most likely managed better than the WDFW. There are threads on this forum about that and a simple internet search you will find information about wildlife management on the reservation. But surely you don't want to see that.

Are you generally concerned about the wildlife populations on the reservation or are you jealous? Seriously, which is it?

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Re: Indians Slaughtering Deer and Elk (pics)
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2012, 05:18:08 AM »
Just because YOU haven't seen or witnessed waste doesn't mean there is none.
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Re: Indians Slaughtering Deer and Elk (pics)
« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2012, 06:05:32 AM »
Just a ridiculous post  :twocents:

This won't solve anything and perpetuates stereo types on both sides!!  If you want to make changes do it the right way, work together not against each other!!!

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Re: Indians Slaughtering Deer and Elk (pics)
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Re: Indians Slaughtering Deer and Elk (pics)
« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2012, 06:24:38 AM »
First of all, I understand your frustration about tribal hunting on non reservation or ceded land, but your photos or what you saw could have easily been anyone.
Second of all, without studying the post, I think you are referring to the Yakima tribe probably and not Colville, which happen to be two completely different beasts, sets of rules, management, and harvest levels. 
JoeE, I wouldn't say that the north half has fewer critters on it than the rez, but understand why this post would be frustrating and insulting to you.  If anything I hope you can understand that this region has more abuse than the NE corner does.  All that being said, we are going to lock this one up.   

 


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