Rifle in CT. shooters trunk, NOT an AR type weapon...or so it seems..

[Huntbear]

Looks like it may have been a shotgun.  There is no high cap mag attached to the weapon.  They cleared it by pulling back on a bolt on the side, not a charging handle on the rear.

The story has changed a couple of times...   seems an agenda is being pushed here.


http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/340113

[JimmyHoffa]

I read elsewhere it was a Saiga 12 gauge....so an AK shotgun.  Kind of why many thought it was a rifle.

[JoeE]

I also read it was a Saiga 12.

[csaaphill]

lol can't even get it right. oh well they got what they wanted even if the bushmaster was in the trunk as originally reported they'd still blame it somehow.

[GEARHEAD]

I cant figure people out, i hate that people are so willful to be ignorant...for the second time i have had a conversation with a friend/co-worker, who still insist, the rifle was not used, it was left in the trunk....

Fact:  The AR was the primary weapon used....maybe im misunderstanding the direction of this thread, if so i   apologize.

[hughjorgan]

I cant figure people out, i hate that people are so willful to be ignorant...for the second time i have had a conversation with a friend/co-worker, who still insist, the rifle was not used, it was left in the trunk....

Fact:  The AR was the primary weapon used....maybe im misunderstanding the direction of this thread, if so i   apologize.

What co worker?

[Huntbear]

I cant figure people out, i hate that people are so willful to be ignorant...for the second time i have had a conversation with a friend/co-worker, who still insist, the rifle was not used, it was left in the trunk....

Fact:  The AR was the primary weapon used....maybe im misunderstanding the direction of this thread, if so i   apologize.

What fact?  Show me the facts that support this?  Everything I have read, and seen is he had 2 handguns in the school, that was all that was recovered in the school...

[GEARHEAD]

lol notu

[GEARHEAD]

willfully ignorant.....maybe wikipedia has a definition that will help you.....

[aaronoto]

The chief medical examiner stated they were all shot with a rifle, that enough for me. With all the agencies and people involved in the investigation do people really believe that ALL of them would be in on some kind of conspiracy to peg this on an AR rather than some other weapon??

[csaaphill]

The chief medical examiner stated they were all shot with a rifle, that enough for me. With all the agencies and people involved in the investigation do people really believe that ALL of them would be in on some kind of conspiracy to peg this on an AR rather than some other weapon??

I would trully yes. I beleive people are told what to say all the time. I read on the Zimmerman case where ABC or NBC hid or changed some evidence that was in his favor, but they edited the tape or recording to favor his guilt. That was on the internet but never reported on the mainstream news. I read a book on the Waco case that the only truly automatic found after the fire was auspiciouly placed on top of some rubble. This book wasn't written by a right wing person it was written by a liberal. Very good book it showed both sides rather than just manipulate opinions.
So yes I for one would. In one of the videos where the medical examiner was making a statement to the press, and you can kind of tell he was coaxed into his answer. I think he turns and says it was the bushmaster wasn't it to the sheriff or one of the deputy's.
So again yes I do most emphatically.

[bullcanyon]

I've read more news articles that state he left the long gun in the trunk and carried the pistols into the school.  Seems like he would have an easier time sneeking them in than a bushmaster.

[marlin]

The chief medical examiner stated they were all shot with a rifle, that enough for me. With all the agencies and people involved in the investigation do people really believe that ALL of them would be in on some kind of conspiracy to peg this on an AR rather than some other weapon??

YES!
I dont think anyone knows the facts.. Its whatever the media wants to put out. I think the law enforcement who spoke on camera about the event were told what to say.. No matter what the facts really are, the anti-gun folks are working it to the best of their abilities to destroy our Rights, Freedoms, and the U.S. Constitution.. Seems like those who took the oath of office dont even understand the oath they took.. Many of them probably dont even know what the Constitution is all about..

[JimmyHoffa]

I cant figure people out, i hate that people are so willful to be ignorant...for the second time i have had a conversation with a friend/co-worker, who still insist, the rifle was not used, it was left in the trunk....

Fact:  The AR was the primary weapon used....maybe im misunderstanding the direction of this thread, if so i   apologize.

What fact?  Show me the facts that support this?  Everything I have read, and seen is he had 2 handguns in the school, that was all that was recovered in the school...

You know huntbear, it is irritating me too.  I've read plenty of articles from 'supposedly credible' publishers on this....and they are all over the place with the reporting.  2 handguns and a rifle...then 4 handguns....then 4 handguns and a rifle left in the car....oh, wait it was a shotgun in the car....no, the shotgun was in the school but not used.  50-200 rounds fired....which is it closer too?  150 rounds is quite a spread!  These reporters are hacks.  The only thing convincing me of a rifle is the medical examiner. 

[Curly]

Take a look at this poll:  Link

[GEARHEAD]

Look the chief medical examiner is not the friggin media, and i heard him in his own words at his press conference, "LIVE", tell in his own words which came from his own mouth, that all the wounds were from the AR and that victims were shot between 4 and 11 times each, or something close to that count. EACH!

That piece of sh-t monster, then shot himself with one of the two handguns he carried. 

He did not sneak in...he forced his way in. and by the way, i also listened to the first arriving police officers, giving an interview and in their own words from their own mouths, say that they heard gunshots when they arrived, but could not access the bldg and also had to force their way inside.  that's a little tidbit the media seems to be keeping under wraps for some weird reason i cannot figure out....the media has been reporting that the incident was 2 minutes and it was all over when police arrived. ..the term LOCKDOWN, is an incorrect term. What it really means is : "LOCKOUT" First Responders.   Why you would lockdown a School, with the shooter already inside, (and this is Nationwide policy by the way) ...is just ridiculous.

[pricedo]

That the reported facts were erroneous is irrelevant to the anti-gunners.
The fact that they are quite willing to dance on the graves of 20 murdered children to push their civilian disarmament agenda is apparent.
The likes of Dianne Feinstein & Nancy Pelosi never let the truth get in their way when it came to opportunities to go on a gun grabbing spree such as the one that has been in the planning stages for the past 4 years waiting for a golden political opportunity like the Newtown, CT massacre to give it political and media momentum.

I as a responsible gun owner and hunter am offended and mad as hell because Feinstein has by implication with her proposed AR ban bill lumped me and all other law abiding American sports shooters into the same category as a psychotic child killer.

We need to be writing & phoning our representatives and senators demanding that we not be punished for the actions of a murderous lunatic and to vote against Feinsteins bill.

[csaaphill]

we are or have but seems like were barking up the wrong tree. I have and think the 2/3rds are for it only one said he was against it.
one i got was a poll so maybe if she isn't on the ban wagon that might make it 2/4 

[pricedo]

When seconds count the police are minutes away.
Fully trained armed guards/police on our school & university campuses 24/7 is the only response system expedient enough to effectively intercede in these mass shootings.
Our politicians and administrators know this yet are dilly dallying around playing politically correct politics with the issue.
Politicians it seems would rather play to the media hype and try to scapegoat law abiding gun owners than do what has got to be done and make armed guards standard policy in schools.
Wayne LaPierre of the NRA was absolutely correct when he said, "The only thing that will stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun".
The blame for the 26 needless deaths at Newtown, CT falls directly on the shoulders of the perpetrator and the media prostituting politicians who refused to set in place the armed presence infrastructure in our schools that could have saved most of these children.
The critical issue here is not gun control or the second amendment or political correctness........ it is safeguarding our kids.
How many more kids are going to be needlessly slaughtered before our politicians get down to doing that very thing.

[bullcanyon]

Go back and watch the new conference again.  They had not yet completed "ALL" of the examinations when he spoke.  So for you to say that with such confidence  that he said "all" of the kids were shot with an ar is bogus.  Is that considered "willfully ignorant"?

Do you remember the Clackamas mall shooting?  They never reported the story that the guy was confronted by a responsible gun owner and than shot himself.  No they said they place showed and than he shot himself.  I heard it on the radio for days.  Does that mean I should change the way I think just because some of the media say it's so?

[pricedo]

It's a sign of the times.
26 people are shot and instead of the focus being on WHO did the shooting and WHAT steps could be taken to enhance security in our schools to make sure it doesn't happen again the main issue on the front burner seems to be what kind of gun was used in the shooting.
Yup, it would be better if the weapon of choice for this particular nutjob was a politically correct shotgun rather than an evil AR.
Goes to show how successful the media brainwashing has been on most Americans.
We need to pull our heads out of our backsides and grasp the big issue here.......a lot of lives were lost needlessly in another school shooting.......AGAIN !
When are we all going to quit talking irrelevant shyt & dancing to the media mantra and start demanding that some armed security be put in our schools to protect our kids from these psychopaths?

[Sitka_Blacktail]

It would actually make more sense of this sad story if a shotgun was used instead of the AR. First, if you were trying to inflict maximum damage and body count, why would you shoot one kid 11 different times? You'd be wasting ammo and time. While you're spending so much time on one victim, others are getting away and those extra shots aren't inflicting more damage. But a shotgun would explain multiple wounds to each victim. It would also make hitting your target easier at short to medium range. One shot could actually account for more than one victim.

But who would gain from misreporting the fact it was a shotgun used, not an AR? People with an agenda of banning ARs.

Can't say that's what happened in this case, but I wouldn't be shocked if lies were told to further an agenda either.

[csaaphill]

bearpaw has a good thread on here two videos on this check it out if no one has.

[huntnphool]

Sandy Hook: Cop in CT on Contradictions, Inconsistencies & Gun Grab - Part ONE
Sandy Hook: Cop in CT on Contradictions, Inconsistencies & Gun Grab - Part TWO

[csaaphill]

ya thanks phool