Glock 21 vs. XD-45

[magnanimous_j]

So I’ve been kicking around the idea of getting a full frame .45 as my bedside gun and SHTF sidearm. Both the Glock 21 and the XD-45 seem to get good reviews. I think they’re both kind of ugly, but ultra-reliability, indestructibility and capacity is the main concern here. They both have 13+1 mags and a standard rail for a Tac light (the main accessory I’d want to get).

Anyone have a preference? Good or bad experiences?

[Biggerhammer]

I own both, I'm a die hard Glock guy but I purchased a XD 5.25 in .45 and the handgun is a laser. Points well, extremely accurate, grips excellent and has functioned flawlessly. I don't have a single complaint when it comes to the XD. Other than my passion for Glocks, you would be well served with either. My 21 is a SF, so it fits my hand well and has the picatinny rail.

[magnanimous_j]

That's an idea. The 5inch XD is a quite a bit more expensive, right? Do either have any trouble with +p loads?

[h20hunter]

I have the two tone XD like BHammer has pictured.....that is my favorite to carry as a side arm in the woods as well as shoot at the range. It eats anything I've ever fed it. Great gun.

[hillbilli]

the XD is a single action, so will have a better trigger. (with or without a powder river aftermarket trigger). If you plan to shoot reloads you'll need to change the barrel on the glock, but you wouldnt on the XD. The Glock is easier to detail strip if you ever get it full of water, etc where you need to detail strip it. I know the finish on the XD's has improved since mine was built, but I still think the corrosion resistant finish on the glock is better. The XD has a secondary safety (grip safety), and it is easy enough to practice placing your thumb on the back of the slide when reholstering- this ensures the grip safety is not engaged and that if something gets in the way of the trigger on the way back in the holster you are still ok.. 

[Mongo Hunter]

IMHO Glock, but that's mainly because of my experience shooting them, I don't have any with the XD. I think they are both fantastic firearms and either will serve you well. However if you are looking for a SHTF gun I would recommend a 9mm over a 45. 9mm is pretty much everwhere around the world were the .45 is mostly a US round. being the 9mm is so universal in a SHTF scenario the odds of "finding" more ammo is higher than the .45. just my 

PS. I like the .45 more for self defence than the 9mm, but the 9mm IS more available.

[Fuzzy]

I own both, I'm a die hard Glock guy but I purchased a XD 5.25 in .45 and the handgun is a laser. Points well, extremely accurate, grips excellent and has functioned flawlessly. I don't have a single complaint when it comes to the XD. Other than my passion for Glocks, you would be well served with either. My 21 is a SF, so it fits my hand well and has the picatinny rail.

WHAT?!?! no fixed bayonet on the Glock??


I have a gen2 glock 21 and i love it. the grip is a bit blocky but its a hell of a shooter

[Bofire]

  I was forced by deparment policy to switch from my 1911 to a glock 21 for about 7 years. (I am retired) but then we got a new chief and I could carry my 1911 again, I felt MUCH better. The 21 felt like a club, it worked, was reliable, and I hated it, MUCH slower to get on to the first round, for me, wobbled in my grip for repeat shots. I say try them both, and others, then decide, forget everyones opinion. buy the gun YOU shoot best.
Carl

[mountainman]

I was forced by deparment policy to switch from my 1911 to a glock 21 for about 7 years. (I am retired) but then we got a new chief and I could carry my 1911 again, I felt MUCH better. The 21 felt like a club, it worked, was reliable, and I hated it, MUCH slower to get on to the first round, for me, wobbled in my grip for repeat shots. I say try them both, and others, then decide, forget everyones opinion. buy the gun YOU shoot best.
Carl

 

[blacktailcody]

 

[Austrian Hunter]

I own both, I'm a die hard Glock guy but I purchased a XD 5.25 in .45 and the handgun is a laser. Points well, extremely accurate, grips excellent and has functioned flawlessly. I don't have a single complaint when it comes to the XD. Other than my passion for Glocks, you would be well served with either. My 21 is a SF, so it fits my hand well and has the picatinny rail.

I second that!! 

[thinkingman]

As I spend a fair amount of time behind a 1911 and a Buckmark, the grip angle of the Block just doesn't work for me.
Muscle memory is critical in a SHTF situation, and the adjustment to the Block is a penalty.
Buy the XD.
The grip safety is an added bonus.

[mountainman]

In my hand, it would be the S&W M&P. Owned both Glocks and XD/XDM's and shot them both pretty good, but am more accurate and fster on point with the Smith and Wesson.  All comes down to individual fit.

[Jim the Plumber]

Which ever you decide on, spend the money you would have on the latest lazer, light, etc, buy ammo and practice.
 All the crap in the world hanging off your firearm won't make you a better shot.

[JoeE]

Both are great guns. I prefer Glocks and have been carrying a Glock 21 for years.

[magnanimous_j]

IMHO Glock, but that's mainly because of my experience shooting them, I don't have any with the XD. I think they are both fantastic firearms and either will serve you well. However if you are looking for a SHTF gun I would recommend a 9mm over a 45. 9mm is pretty much everwhere around the world were the .45 is mostly a US round. being the 9mm is so universal in a SHTF scenario the odds of "finding" more ammo is higher than the .45. just my 

Fair point, but I already have a 9mm. I try to keep at least 1000 rounds for any gun that I might be relying on in a SHTF situation. Even if I didn’t already have the 9, if I somehow live through firing off 1000 rounds of .45 (out of my sidearm no less) in combat, I’m sure there will plenty of guns lying on the ground to replenish my supply. 

Which ever you decide on, spend the money you would have on the latest lazer, light, etc, buy ammo and practice.
 All the crap in the world hanging off your firearm won't make you a better shot.

That’s true, but I like the idea of the flashlight. It blinds your enemy and gives you a better view of the situation. It might make the difference between getting prosecuted or not. My building is full of late 20’s – 30’s professionals and very safe. Although I’m religious about locking my doors to the point of OCD, I would hate to forget one night and have one of my neighbors come home loaded (from one of the dozens of bars in my neighborhood) and come into my apartment by mistake and get shot to death.

[Jim the Plumber]

A light attached to a defensive  firearm is a bullseye that lines up nicely with your face.
 you are assuming you will have your light/ firearm pointed in the right direction when everyting goes sideways.
If the bad guy is not where you are pointing your light, the bad guy will most likely shut your light off for you.
A lazer tends to focus your attention on the lazer light instead of concentrating on the threat.

[PlateauNDN]

I say listen to those that suggested try both then decide.  My first L.E. DEPT. ISSUED and only authorized glock 20's, I didnt care for them.  My second L.E. Dept. Authorized whatever you were comfortable with as long as you had working knowledge of it and the range master approved.  I was issued a dept. Glock 21 and soon after bought my own and havent looked back since. 

[mountainman]

A light attached to a defensive  firearm is a bullseye that lines up nicely with your face.
 you are assuming you will have your light/ firearm pointed in the right direction when everyting goes sideways.
If the bad guy is not where you are pointing your light, the bad guy will most likely shut your light off for you.
A lazer tends to focus your attention on the lazer light instead of concentrating on the threat.

Agreed Jim..People who whis a light mounted should think twice..in addition to the reason stated let me place a scenario for everyone..late at night you hear someting dowstairs in the kitchen area. You grab your piece with mounted light..slowly you head towards the sound. Adrenalin is pumping, trying to control nerves. ready for anything, finger snug up on trigger in anticipation...you work down a hall searching...no more sound...Suddenly the intruder is 3 steps in front of you! You line up your weapon to identify the threat in your gun mounted light..you suddenly realize, luckily before its too late you are pointing a loaded weapon and alsmost dropped the pin on your wife (kid, brother, sister, you insert here) just down getting a drink of water! Happens several times a year with not good results. Personally, there is always a Surefire with my gun when I lay my head down at night. Now military and law inforcement, thats a different thing. Odds are 99% of those bump-in-the-night situations WILL have a bad guy at the other end!

[Biggerhammer]

A light attached to a defensive  firearm is a bullseye that lines up nicely with your face.
 you are assuming you will have your light/ firearm pointed in the right direction when everyting goes sideways.
If the bad guy is not where you are pointing your light, the bad guy will most likely shut your light off for you.
A lazer tends to focus your attention on the lazer light instead of concentrating on the threat.

Wow, maybe you should go tell the majority of the Pier 1 Operators that their methods are all wrong and that you have figured out, that what they have perfected throughout the years is all wrong and they should take all the tactical lights off their carbines and handguns.  LMAO!!

Hence the purpose of the "Momentary" function on weapons mounted lights. WOW!

The term "Defensive" has no relevance in my world. I have boundaries set. My handgun is not a defensive weapon at all! When those pre set lines are crossed concerning life and limb of I or loved ones and that handgun comes out. It's GO time! I and that handgun are completly offensive, I'm taking it to them. If your thinking defensive , your math is backwards.

[Heredoggydoggy]

A light attached to a defensive  firearm is a bullseye that lines up nicely with your face.
 you are assuming you will have your light/ firearm pointed in the right direction when everyting goes sideways.
If the bad guy is not where you are pointing your light, the bad guy will most likely shut your light off for you.
A lazer tends to focus your attention on the lazer light instead of concentrating on the threat.

Agreed Jim..People who whis a light mounted should think twice..in addition to the reason stated let me place a scenario for everyone..late at night you hear someting dowstairs in the kitchen area. You grab your piece with mounted light..slowly you head towards the sound. Adrenalin is pumping, trying to control nerves. ready for anything, finger snug up on trigger in anticipation...you work down a hall searching...no more sound...Suddenly the intruder is 3 steps in front of you! You line up your weapon to identify the threat in your gun mounted light..you suddenly realize, luckily before its too late you are pointing a loaded weapon and alsmost dropped the pin on your wife (kid, brother, sister, you insert here) just down getting a drink of water! Happens several times a year with not good results. Personally, there is always a Surefire with my gun when I lay my head down at night. Now military and law inforcement, thats a different thing. Odds are 99% of those bump-in-the-night situations WILL have a bad guy at the other end!

A light mounted on your gun can be a valuable asset, if used right.  You point the light at your adversary and turn it on.  He looks instinctively right at the light, then you turn it off.  His night-vision is fried!  No biggie--if he's in your house, he won't be needing it anyway. 

[Biggerhammer]

A light attached to a defensive  firearm is a bullseye that lines up nicely with your face.
 you are assuming you will have your light/ firearm pointed in the right direction when everyting goes sideways.
If the bad guy is not where you are pointing your light, the bad guy will most likely shut your light off for you.
A lazer tends to focus your attention on the lazer light instead of concentrating on the threat.

Agreed Jim..People who whis a light mounted should think twice..in addition to the reason stated let me place a scenario for everyone..late at night you hear someting dowstairs in the kitchen area. You grab your piece with mounted light..slowly you head towards the sound. Adrenalin is pumping, trying to control nerves. ready for anything, finger snug up on trigger in anticipation...you work down a hall searching...no more sound...Suddenly the intruder is 3 steps in front of you! You line up your weapon to identify the threat in your gun mounted light..you suddenly realize, luckily before its too late you are pointing a loaded weapon and alsmost dropped the pin on your wife (kid, brother, sister, you insert here) just down getting a drink of water! Happens several times a year with not good results. Personally, there is always a Surefire with my gun when I lay my head down at night. Now military and law inforcement, thats a different thing. Odds are 99% of those bump-in-the-night situations WILL have a bad guy at the other end!

A light mounted on your gun can be a valuable asset, if used right.  You point the light at your adversary and turn it on.  He looks instinctively right at the light, then you turn it off.  His night-vision is fried!  No biggie--if he's in your house, he won't be needing it anyway. 

 

[mountainman]

A light attached to a defensive  firearm is a bullseye that lines up nicely with your face.
 you are assuming you will have your light/ firearm pointed in the right direction when everyting goes sideways.
If the bad guy is not where you are pointing your light, the bad guy will most likely shut your light off for you.
A lazer tends to focus your attention on the lazer light instead of concentrating on the threat.

Agreed Jim..People who whis a light mounted should think twice..in addition to the reason stated let me place a scenario for everyone..late at night you hear someting dowstairs in the kitchen area. You grab your piece with mounted light..slowly you head towards the sound. Adrenalin is pumping, trying to control nerves. ready for anything, finger snug up on trigger in anticipation...you work down a hall searching...no more sound...Suddenly the intruder is 3 steps in front of you! You line up your weapon to identify the threat in your gun mounted light..you suddenly realize, luckily before its too late you are pointing a loaded weapon and alsmost dropped the pin on your wife (kid, brother, sister, you insert here) just down getting a drink of water! Happens several times a year with not good results. Personally, there is always a Surefire with my gun when I lay my head down at night. Now military and law inforcement, thats a different thing. Odds are 99% of those bump-in-the-night situations WILL have a bad guy at the other end!

A light mounted on your gun can be a valuable asset, if used right.  You point the light at your adversary and turn it on.  He looks instinctively right at the light, then you turn it off.  His night-vision is fried!  No biggie--if he's in your house, he won't be needing it anyway. 

Agreed! But there are many "Untrained" (ie non militry, le, security) that do not know those techniques and that is who I refer to

[Biggerhammer]

True, there's a bunch of insurgent types that are not with us any longer to debate exactly how bright and distracting that weapons mounted SureFire was in those last moments but quite effective just the same.

[Heredoggydoggy]

A light attached to a defensive  firearm is a bullseye that lines up nicely with your face.
 you are assuming you will have your light/ firearm pointed in the right direction when everyting goes sideways.
If the bad guy is not where you are pointing your light, the bad guy will most likely shut your light off for you.
A lazer tends to focus your attention on the lazer light instead of concentrating on the threat.

Agreed Jim..People who whis a light mounted should think twice..in addition to the reason stated let me place a scenario for everyone..late at night you hear someting dowstairs in the kitchen area. You grab your piece with mounted light..slowly you head towards the sound. Adrenalin is pumping, trying to control nerves. ready for anything, finger snug up on trigger in anticipation...you work down a hall searching...no more sound...Suddenly the intruder is 3 steps in front of you! You line up your weapon to identify the threat in your gun mounted light..you suddenly realize, luckily before its too late you are pointing a loaded weapon and alsmost dropped the pin on your wife (kid, brother, sister, you insert here) just down getting a drink of water! Happens several times a year with not good results. Personally, there is always a Surefire with my gun when I lay my head down at night. Now military and law inforcement, thats a different thing. Odds are 99% of those bump-in-the-night situations WILL have a bad guy at the other end!

A light mounted on your gun can be a valuable asset, if used right.  You point the light at your adversary and turn it on.  He looks instinctively right at the light, then you turn it off.  His night-vision is fried!  No biggie--if he's in your house, he won't be needing it anyway. 

Agreed! But there are many "Untrained" (ie non militry, le, security) that do not know those techniques and that is who I refer to

The nice part about this site is the information and insight posted here.  Many small tidbits that could save your life some day (or night). 

[mountainman]

Good info to know, hopefully never have to use it 

[MADMAX]

I have a Glock 19 and XD 45
love them both
shoot well and plenty of capacity

[jaymark6655]

People who whis a light mounted should think twice..in addition to the reason stated let me place a scenario for everyone..late at night you hear someting dowstairs in the kitchen area. You grab your piece with mounted light..slowly you head towards the sound. Adrenalin is pumping, trying to control nerves. ready for anything, finger snug up on trigger in anticipation...you work down a hall searching...no more sound...Suddenly the intruder is 3 steps in front of you! You line up your weapon to identify the threat in your gun mounted light..you suddenly realize, luckily before its too late you are pointing a loaded weapon and alsmost dropped the pin on your wife (kid, brother, sister, you insert here) just down getting a drink of water! Happens several times a year with not good results. Personally, there is always a Surefire with my gun when I lay my head down at night. Now military and law inforcement, thats a different thing. Odds are 99% of those bump-in-the-night situations WILL have a bad guy at the other end!

   My light is seperate.  Just like using a binos instead of a scope to identify your target.  Can still be used to blind people.  With all the operaters out there, they aren't in a defensive situation with their lights unless something is wrong, they don't have to worry about shooting a family member getting a snack and they are trained more than the average person is usually.  Get one that you have a mode where you have to hold button to activate light, that way you can turn on and off quickly.
 
Go to a place like Wades, rent the whole .45 section and go with the one you like best.  Seems like both guns are more than capable, so its going to come down to how you hold it and what operating it feels like to you.  If you like them both equal after a few hundred rounds, go with price.

[mountainman]

People who whis a light mounted should think twice..in addition to the reason stated let me place a scenario for everyone..late at night you hear someting dowstairs in the kitchen area. You grab your piece with mounted light..slowly you head towards the sound. Adrenalin is pumping, trying to control nerves. ready for anything, finger snug up on trigger in anticipation...you work down a hall searching...no more sound...Suddenly the intruder is 3 steps in front of you! You line up your weapon to identify the threat in your gun mounted light..you suddenly realize, luckily before its too late you are pointing a loaded weapon and alsmost dropped the pin on your wife (kid, brother, sister, you insert here) just down getting a drink of water! Happens several times a year with not good results. Personally, there is always a Surefire with my gun when I lay my head down at night. Now military and law inforcement, thats a different thing. Odds are 99% of those bump-in-the-night situations WILL have a bad guy at the other end!

   My light is seperate.  Just like using a binos instead of a scope to identify your target.  Can still be used to blind people.  With all the operaters out there, they aren't in a defensive situation with their lights unless something is wrong, they don't have to worry about shooting a family member getting a snack and they are trained more than the average person is usually.  Get one that you have a mode where you have to hold button to activate light, that way you can turn on and off quickly.
 
Go to a place like Wades, rent the whole .45 section and go with the one you like best.  Seems like both guns are more than capable, so its going to come down to how you hold it and what operating it feels like to you.  If you like them both equal after a few hundred rounds, go with price.

[Fuzzy]

A light attached to a defensive  firearm is a bullseye that lines up nicely with your face.
 you are assuming you will have your light/ firearm pointed in the right direction when everyting goes sideways.
If the bad guy is not where you are pointing your light, the bad guy will most likely shut your light off for you.
A lazer tends to focus your attention on the lazer light instead of concentrating on the threat.

Wow, maybe you should go tell the majority of the Pier 1 Operators that their methods are all wrong and that you have figured out, that what they have perfected throughout the years is all wrong and they should take all the tactical lights off their carbines and handguns.  LMAO!!

Hence the purpose of the "Momentary" function on weapons mounted lights. WOW!

The term "Defensive" has no relevance in my world. I have boundaries set. My handgun is not a defensive weapon at all! When those pre set lines are crossed concerning life and limb of I or loved ones and that handgun comes out. It's GO time! I and that handgun are completly offensive, I'm taking it to them. If your thinking defensive , your math is backwards.

Pier 1 operators?? The ones protecting the local mall?

i also keep my surefire separate

[Mongo Hunter]

Weapon mounted lights are all about preference, there are arguments for both sides. Personally I like a weapon mounted light so I can keep 1 hand free, and you don't have to point the light down the hall or at someone. you would be amazed how bright those suckers are just bouncing the light off the floor. If you have to manupulate a door knob or use the phone or beat the stupid SOB off you cause you didnt spot him fast enough I like the extra hand.

[magnanimous_j]

It depends on the situation. My apartment pretty much square. The ambient light from the city keeps it from ever getting truly pitch black. So if someone broke in, I think it’s safe to say they would see me and I would see them no matter what, so a tac light wouldn’t likely give away my position. It would give me a fraction of a second of illumination to decide if deadly force was warranted or not.

[mountainman]

 

A light attached to a defensive  firearm is a bullseye that lines up nicely with your face.
 you are assuming you will have your light/ firearm pointed in the right direction when everyting goes sideways.
If the bad guy is not where you are pointing your light, the bad guy will most likely shut your light off for you.
A lazer tends to focus your attention on the lazer light instead of concentrating on the threat.

Wow, maybe you should go tell the majority of the Pier 1 Operators that their methods are all wrong and that you have figured out, that what they have perfected throughout the years is all wrong and they should take all the tactical lights off their carbines and handguns.  LMAO!!

Hence the purpose of the "Momentary" function on weapons mounted lights. WOW!

The term "Defensive" has no relevance in my world. I have boundaries set. My handgun is not a defensive weapon at all! When those pre set lines are crossed concerning life and limb of I or loved ones and that handgun comes out. It's GO time! I and that handgun are completly offensive, I'm taking it to them. If your thinking defensive , your math is backwards.

Pier 1 operators?? The ones protecting the local mall?

i also keep my surefire separate

   

[Biggerhammer]

A light attached to a defensive  firearm is a bullseye that lines up nicely with your face.
 you are assuming you will have your light/ firearm pointed in the right direction when everyting goes sideways.
If the bad guy is not where you are pointing your light, the bad guy will most likely shut your light off for you.
A lazer tends to focus your attention on the lazer light instead of concentrating on the threat.

Wow, maybe you should go tell the majority of the Pier 1 Operators that their methods are all wrong and that you have figured out, that what they have perfected throughout the years is all wrong and they should take all the tactical lights off their carbines and handguns.  LMAO!!

Hence the purpose of the "Momentary" function on weapons mounted lights. WOW!

The term "Defensive" has no relevance in my world. I have boundaries set. My handgun is not a defensive weapon at all! When those pre set lines are crossed concerning life and limb of I or loved ones and that handgun comes out. It's GO time! I and that handgun are completly offensive, I'm taking it to them. If your thinking defensive , your math is backwards.

Pier 1 operators?? The ones protecting the local mall?

i also keep my surefire separate

   

 

[Alchase]

The term defensive weapon is an oxymoron, unless you are laying down massive volumes of lead in suppression fire to exfill out of a situation that has already gone south, LOL

The best defence is a good offence, advance under fire,
LOL

 

[Biggerhammer]

The term defensive weapon is an oxymoron, unless you are laying down massive volumes of lead in suppression fire to exfill out of a situation that has already gone south, LOL

The best defence is a good offence, advance under fire,
LOL

More often than not. The only way out of it, is through it.

[Jim the Plumber]

A light attached to a defensive  firearm is a bullseye that lines up nicely with your face.
 you are assuming you will have your light/ firearm pointed in the right direction when everyting goes sideways.
If the bad guy is not where you are pointing your light, the bad guy will most likely shut your light off for you.
A lazer tends to focus your attention on the lazer light instead of concentrating on the threat.

Wow, maybe you should go tell the majority of the Pier 1 Operators that their methods are all wrong and that you have figured out, that what they have perfected throughout the years is all wrong and they should take all the tactical lights off their carbines and handguns.  LMAO!!

Hence the purpose of the "Momentary" function on weapons mounted lights. WOW!

The term "Defensive" has no relevance in my world. I have boundaries set. My handgun is not a defensive weapon at all! When those pre set lines are crossed concerning life and limb of I or loved ones and that handgun comes out. It's GO time! I and that handgun are completly offensive, I'm taking it to them. If your thinking defensive , your math is backwards.

Crazy, I guess I need to find one of these "Pier 1" operators and get some insite.
 Heading to Pier 1 now..

[Biggerhammer]

I can get you a description or you can google it. FT. Lewis would be your best bet, head west.

[Fuzzy]

Dont go to pier 1 imports, those are all imported operators 

[mountainman]

 

[Fuzzy]

It must be G14 classified cuz i didnt find any thing http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbo=d&site=&source=hp&q=Pier+1+operator&oq=Pier+1+operator&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.3...4271.22282.0.23495.17.15.0.2.2.0.280.2731.0j7j6.13.0.les%3Behyp%2Ca%3D1%2Cb%3D1000%2Cn%3D5%2Ct%3D2%2Cr%3D5..0.0...1ac.1.QG8iMGfBID4] [url]http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbo=d&site=&source=hp&q=Pier+1+operator&oq=Pier+1+operator&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.3...4271.22282.0.23495.17.15.0.2.2.0.280.2731.0j7j6.13.0.les%3Behyp%2Ca%3D1%2Cb%3D1000%2Cn%3D5%2Ct%3D2%2Cr%3D5..0.0...1ac.1.QG8iMGfBID4 [/url]

[Biggerhammer]

Gotta love watching guys play with a "Typo". Reminds me of watching a couple monkeys  try to screw a football.

Replace the "P" with a "T" and drive on.

[Fuzzy]

Oh ya! Typo i see thanks for the correction

[Biggerhammer]

Oh ya! Typo i see thanks for the correction

Your welcome Fuzz!

[thinkingman]

Gotta love watching guys play with a "Typo". Reminds me of watching a couple monkeys  try to screw a football.

Replace the "P" with a "T" and drive on.

You should be thanking me for the 3rd grade math lesson on the little 'typo' involving that pesky decimal point.
If you ever get into reloading, those pesky typos mean fingers and eyeballs.
Yer welcome.

[Biggerhammer]

Gotta love watching guys play with a "Typo". Reminds me of watching a couple monkeys  try to screw a football.

Replace the "P" with a "T" and drive on.

You should be thanking me for the 3rd grade math lesson on the little 'typo' involving that pesky decimal point.
If you ever get into reloading, those pesky typos mean fingers and eyeballs.
Yer welcome.

I still have all my digits and eyeballs. I could give you a few lessons when it comes to reloading.