Firearm Makers Boycott Anti-Gun City and State Governments

[h2ofowlr]

This is a balancing act unfortunately.  If more states join California, NY and they start boycotting them in addition to, it could mean large losses in sales.  Hopefully others follow suite, but unfortunately if American companies won't sell to them they will look over seas.

[csaaphill]

np in my book all the more for me/us.

[Heredoggydoggy]

This is a balancing act unfortunately.  If more states join California, NY and they start boycotting them in addition to, it could mean large losses in sales.  Hopefully others follow suite, but unfortunately if American companies won't sell to them they will look over seas.

Where do you think Glocks, XDs, and CZs come from--Kansas?  They may be Distributed by U.S. companies, but that won't stop the Military or LE...  Besides, just about all the US gun manufacturers have their guns made outside of the country.  Even the venerable 1911 is made outside of the US, at 1/2 the price of the domestic ones! 

[SGTDuffman]

STI also stopped all sales to LE in California in 2007 when Gov Schwarzenegger passed a micro-stamping law. Barret did the same thing, but I'm not sure which year (around 2003 I think). CA won't allow civilians to own .50, so Barrett refused and still refuses to sell their products or parts to CA LE. York Arms and Templar Custom have also extended bans to state entities, specifically NY.

You'd be surprised how much sway police organizations have in state affairs as it concerns arms. They are powerful allies to have for gun rights. They are the reason we can now use suppressors in this state. Before you could own it as a cute novelty to show friends, now you can actually use them because the LE agencies in the state lobbied for them. These companies putting pressure on state LE agencies pushes those agencies to exert pressure on the states.

I plan on writing S&W to see if they plan on making any sort of 2A stand for gun owners this time around. They got themselves blacklisted by me for their Clinton nonsense. Now is their chance to earn my business back. They better do the exact opposite of last time though. That means no backdoor deals, no passively accepting what happens. They better get out and back the people, or they stay on my no buy list.

[hughjorgan]

STI also stopped all sales to LE in California in 2007 when Gov Schwarzenegger passed a micro-stamping law. Barret did the same thing, but I'm not sure which year (around 2003 I think). CA won't allow civilians to own .50, so Barrett refused and still refuses to sell their products or parts to CA LE. York Arms and Templar Custom have also extended bans to state entities, specifically NY.

You'd be surprised how much sway police organizations have in state affairs as it concerns arms. They are powerful allies to have for gun rights. They are the reason we can now use suppressors in this state. Before you could own it as a cute novelty to show friends, now you can actually use them because the LE agencies in the state lobbied for them. These companies putting pressure on state LE agencies pushes those agencies to exert pressure on the states.

I plan on writing S&W to see if they plan on making any sort of 2A stand for gun owners this time around. They got themselves blacklisted by me for their Clinton nonsense. Now is their chance to earn my business back. They better do the exact opposite of last time though. That means no backdoor deals, no passively accepting what happens. They better get out and back the people, or they stay on my no buy list.

I wrote smith and Wesson and asked this question as well. They have a form letter on there website similar to the one on Rugers website to contact your legislators. I am waiting for a reply on my email.

[SGTDuffman]

Ya. I just got done writing them. I wrote Ruger as well. I basically asked both what they are doing in concrete terms to help gun owners, because last time we were in the situation we're in now, they both sent us up the creek AND took away the paddles.

I get people telling me all the time to let it slide or forget about it, they got new leadership now. My reply is so what. A new name on the door to the big office means nothing to me compared to what they did.

Do they donate to pro-gun candidates? Do pro-2A press releases? Commercials? Ads? Pressure officials? Stand with us? Boycott state agencies like LaRue, STI, Barrett, Templar Custom, York Arms, etc? I haven't heard of either company doing any of these things. As far as I know they do 2 things. They ask me to write officials, and they donate relatively small sums of money to the NRA.

Ruger gives some piddly little $1 donation to the NRA for every gun sold, but that's a joke. Taurus buys an NRA membership for each gun sold, meaning they donate 35 times more to the NRA than Ruger does. S&W gave a million to the NRA for the first time, as far as I know, last year. Beretta is 1/8th the size and gave $1 million in 2008 to help overthrow laws in the wake of the Heller decision.

I'm genuinely curious to know what exactly these companies are doing now that has so ingratiated them back into a community that should by all rights, cast them off to die. I hope they have some good answers, because I'd like to stop boycotting them, and we need all the help we can get right now. I know they can make good guns, but I want to know what they're doing that would allow me to keep them if I bought them, because right now, it doesn't seem like much.

[Special T]

maybe a few more of those east coast gun makers should find a place that is a little more friendly to mfg co's
https://stateimpact.npr.org/idaho/maps/where-are-guns-made-mapping-gun-and-ammunition-makers-in-idaho/

[csaaphill]

wish they'd donate a ar-15 to me that would be nice
but all good stuff hope they make an impact.

[SGTDuffman]

Still haven't heard anything from Ruger or S&W. I sent them both e-mails last week asking what they're doing in support of gun owners, and have received an automated response from S&W acknowledging they received the email and another email a couple days later explaining my letter had been forwarded to management. I haven't received anything from Ruger yet. In the meantime I found out that they both boycotted the Eastern Sports and Outdoor show because show organizers wouldn't allow assault weapons to be shown or sold at the show. That's a step in the right direction for both, but neither has responded to my inquiries yet.

[grundy53]

Don't expect S&W, YHM, Sampson, and Kahr to join the boycott.  They are based in Massachusetts, one of the most liberal anti-2nd Amendment States in the country, roughly equal to California.  When I was back there a few years ago, one of the guys I used to hunt with was complaining that he couldn't buy a container of pellets for his pellet gun because he didn't have a "Massachusetts Firearms Identification Card".  Those companies would have to boycott their own State....

And Remington is out of New York 

[SGTDuffman]

It's shocking how much of the industry is located in northeastern states that are much more anti-gun than other options. SO many manufacturers in NY, MA, VA, CT, and IL (I know they aren't part of the NE) that it's ridiculous.

There's good news too though. All of the following companies have jumped on the boycott bandwagon, and will no longer sell to NY LE : Bullwater Enterprises, Westfork Armory, Smith Enterprise, Alex Arms, Barrett, Spike’s Tactical, Quality Arms, Liberty Suppressors, Doublestar Corp, American Spirit Arms, Trident Armory, Head Down Products, and J&G Sales.

Magpul also threatened to leave Colorado if they enact a magazine ban.

[Mark Brenckle]

http://news.yahoo.com/firearms-makers-politicians-gun-rights-balk-walk-190524297.html 

[SGTDuffman]

Yep. Here's a list of companies boycotting agencies thus far. I'm still waiting word from S&W or Ruger.

http://www.ncgunblog.com/new-york-boycott/

[SGTDuffman]

I wrote S&W and Ruger on Feb 16th to see where they stand this time around, and I still haven't received any reply. I was hoping to hear from at least S&W. I've been giving the M&P340 CT the stink eye for years, but I wont buy it because of they never atoned for their Clinton era sins. Now they have a great opportunity to show the shooting community they aren't the same company they were then, but so far, they don't seem to have changed much at all.

[csaaphill]

Yep. Here's a list of companies boycotting agencies thus far. I'm still waiting word from S&W or Ruger.

http://www.ncgunblog.com/new-york-boycott/

cool list is growing nice