Another video: cop vs open carry guy:: discussion

[Curly]

So, even if they are dispatched for no good reason (not waving his gun around or intimidating people) then they are req'd to make contact?  I guess I can understand that to some degree.  I suppose the police would be sued if they didn't talk to the guy and later he ended up shooting somebody.

[Arnbo]

Doyou think the loud mouth cop could really chase a suspect over a half a block.

[Curly]

Doyou think the loud mouth cop could really chase a suspect over a half a block.

He'd probably give it a good try if the guy had stolen some Krispy Cremes.
 

[BIGINNER]

so what would be the best way to go about it without violating the rights of a law abiding citizen?  I understand it would take some cooperation with the person carrying.  but at some point they should start putting more effort into letting know the public that the person is not committing a crime.   

[Curly]

I don't think an officer is violating the person's rights by simply asking him his name and age or asking for ID.  Once they find out that he is legally able to posses a pistol, then he can be on his way.........(at least that is how I see it).

[BIGINNER]

also,..  at what point can you just walk away from the cops if they have nothing to hold against you?  or is any law abiding citizen automatically obligated to stay once an officer starts talking to them.... 

[Knocker of rocks]

also,..  at what point can you just walk away from the cops if they have nothing to hold against you?  or is any law abiding citizen automatically obligated to stay once an officer starts talking to them.... 

I think you have to ask "am I being detained?".  At which the point the officer will tell you that you are or are not.  He should also tell you the reason you are being detained, whether that is the lawfull carrying of a firearm, being young or of color.

[BIGINNER]

also,..  at what point can you just walk away from the cops if they have nothing to hold against you?  or is any law abiding citizen automatically obligated to stay once an officer starts talking to them.... 

I think you have to ask "am I being detained?".  At which the point the officer will tell you that you are or are not.  He should also tell you the reason you are being detained, whether that is the lawfull carrying of a firearm, being young or of color.

according to those cop,.. the guy was being reckless with his gun (holstered).

[Dhoey07]

First thing i noticed, Officer horne was pretty dang rude.  I hope that he learned from this encounter.  I honestly don't think that open carrying a gun with the intent of making a commotion or "tricking" an officer into doing or saying something wrong is good for anybody.

I also understand people calling the police about a person carrying a gun, walking down a busy street for no apparent reason, whether it's holstered or not. 

[Special T]

If I were to walk to the local starbucks for a coffie here is how i would react. I would tell them my first name, adn may age. when he asked what i was doing, I would say going to or from the Starbucks. I would NOT be anagonistic. Cops hate 2 things People who fail "attitude test" and those who know thelaw better than they do. Notice how the state trooper keeps his mouth shut incomparison the newbee on the force. It should be obvious that what the guy is saying is technically correct, but he is being confrontational, and that confuses cops because "most" law abiding citizens do not challenge cops bad guys do. If a cop started getting up in my face i would likely turn on my camera phone and tell him he is being video recorded. Might be a good idea to have the phone some place handy away from the gun. I would bet that if you keep their cool and stay non confrontational and they do not, pulling out the phone should simmer them down... 

[Mongo Hunter]

I understand both points of view, and both sides did a poor job. the side of the road is NOT the place to try and educate a cop even if you are right. The guy filming should have just complied and filed a complaint later if he felt the need. The cops should have had a better attitude and not been so hostel.

I have tried educating a cop on the side of the road during a traffic stop, trust me even if you ARE right your WRONG. I know its sucks but that's just the way it is, I don't like it either. (I did talk to the sheriff the next day)

Believe it or not I think most cops are FOR and armed public and being hostel towards them doesn't help and visa versa. the first time I saw a video like this I thought it was funny and all that but now I'm just worried that we are going to get in this constent head butting and the cops may decide that they don't like having an armed public anymore cause its too much hassle.

[pianoman9701]

Those cops are really ignorant of the law. God, MO was a terrible state in which to live.

 

Substitute "black" for "with a weapon", and see what would happen.  They gave no legal or logical reason to detain him

Sure they did. "We got complaints. Wadda you expect us to do?" Total morons.

[JLS]

Handled pretty poorly by both parties.

[h20hunter]

I think the comments that says both sides handled poorly are really summing it up. Demonstating your rights in this manner is simply never very successfull. By that, I mean both parties end up looking stupid. Not sure how many folks were toting weapons at the pro rally in Olympia but I haven't seen a single video clip of this type of confrontation. Down there.....a pro rally.....proper time and place. Side of the street...it just doesn't maky anyone look good.

[Rudy]

Handled pretty poorly by both parties.

I couldnt agree more, well said