Concealed Carry While Waterfowl Hunting

[fast60eddie]

Thanks for the read

[duckkillerclyde]

Ya'll forgot that you would have to carry non-toxic ammo in your sidearm as it is listed in the MBTA that you cannot posses ANY type of ammunition other than non-toxic while hunting waterfowl.  Copper jacket lead is NOT non-toxic according to the feds.   

[BsB]

*cough*

RCW 9.41.060
Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.

The provisions of RCW 9.41.050 shall not apply to:
 ( 8 ) Any person engaging in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, or horseback riding, only if, considering all of the attendant circumstances, including but not limited to whether the person has a valid hunting or fishing license, it is reasonable to conclude that the person is participating in lawful outdoor activities or is traveling to or from a legitimate outdoor recreation area;

*cough*
So I'll continue to carry my pistol to and from anywhere I'm hunting in Washington.

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[duckkillerclyde]

*cough*

RCW 9.41.060
Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.

The provisions of RCW 9.41.050 shall not apply to:
 ( 8 ) Any person engaging in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, or horseback riding, only if, considering all of the attendant circumstances, including but not limited to whether the person has a valid hunting or fishing license, it is reasonable to conclude that the person is participating in lawful outdoor activities or is traveling to or from a legitimate outdoor recreation area;

*cough*
So I'll continue to carry my pistol to and from anywhere I'm hunting in Washington.

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A. The Code of Federal Regulations, 50 CFR 20.21(j), specifically requires that no persons may take migratory game birds for which open seasons are prescribed while possessing shot (either in shotshells or as loose shot for muzzleloading) other than steel shot or such shot approved as nontoxic by the Director pursuant to procedures set forth in section 20.134. Section 20.21(j) further provides that the restriction applies only to waterfowl and coots. Section 20.134, Nontoxic Shot, lays out specific steps that the applicant submitting the candidate shot and the Service must take before final approval of non-toxicity status is granted or denied. Section 20.134 contains detailed provisions for: approval, application and review, and outline of procedures for testing. The latter section prescribes (a) an initial screening phase which will determine chemical composition and in vitro erosional characteristics and (b) an in vivo toxicity test phase that will measure short-term periodic exposure, chronic exposure under extreme environmental conditions, and chronic exposure impact on reproduction.

B. Current nontoxic shot approval procedures were developed in the mid-80s under then-current technologies, and there has been no test of the procedures because no candidate shot types have been fully processed as yet. Given these facts, and in the absence of specific information regarding future shot technologies, it is the policy of the Service to regard the procedures as being somewhat flexible with regard to the kinds or exhaustiveness of tests that may be required. That is, it may be possible on the basis of support information submitted by the applicant to forego certain portions of the procedures and/or to require additional ones. Other tests might be applicable in the case of unconventional materials, such as a ceramic-metal composite. This approach to an approval request for nontoxic shot procedures will likely necessitate a more comprehensive public review of and comment on the Service's intended actions.


I don't know law for WA but in OR I know you cannot have in possession any type of AMMUNITION that is "toxic".  After reading this I don't think lead bullets would be illegal by the MBTA as it only talks about 'shot' not bullets.   


http://www.fws.gov/policy/723fw4.html

[irishevox]

So to sum up for the OP
You can carry a handgun for self defense any time you are hunting any where in the State of Washington. Except into federal buildings.

Are you an attorney?
Its illegal to give legal advice unless you are.

BTW..................your statements are wrong.


It's not illegal to give legal advice..... if you follow it and don't do your research you an idiot.

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[Atroxus]

So to sum up for the OP
You can carry a handgun for self defense any time you are hunting any where in the State of Washington. Except into federal buildings.

Are you an attorney?
Its illegal to give legal advice unless you are.

BTW..................your statements are wrong.


It's not illegal to give legal advice..... if you follow it and don't do your research you an idiot.

.

Actually my understanding is that it is illegal to give legal *advice* if not a lawyer. It is not illegal to give legal *information* though.

For example, if I was to link the RCW and say draw your own conclusions. That would be legal information. However if I linked the RCW, and advised you as to what course of action you should take, that would be legal advice.

I am not a lawyer though, so if there are any around I would love to hear if I am correct or not.

[irishevox]

i understand oi just quoted someone else ... my thing is it isn't illegal... at all ...  if i told you it was legal to kill someone and you went and did it you think i would have any repercussions... i think not... you'd be the moron that killed them... i would def have to see the Law that says it's illegal to give "legal" advice.  Police and Paralegals provide advice all the time and opinons and they never go to jail.  So..... yeah.... def not illegal.

[smdave]

No problem as long as you don't claim to be a lawyer and/or charge a fee.

[irishevox]

you can't claim to be a lawyer, but you can charge a fee..... as long as the reciept is broad and says "information" and it can't be specific, but you also need to have a small business licesence.... etc... (sorry for spelling)

[Bob33]

My legal advice to anyone who thinks it is illegal for me to give him this legal advice is to sue me. I could use the money.

[irishevox]

My legal advice to anyone who thinks it is illegal for me to give him this legal advice is to sue me. I could use the money.

[Hi-Liter]

i understand oi just quoted someone else ... my thing is it isn't illegal... at all ...  if i told you it was legal to kill someone and you went and did it you think i would have any repercussions... i think not... you'd be the moron that killed them... i would def have to see the Law that says it's illegal to give "legal" advice.  Police and Paralegals provide advice all the time and opinons and they never go to jail.  So..... yeah.... def not illegal.

It is illegal to give a person legal advice when you are a non-lawyer, per Washington State Bar Rules. Paralegals are under the supervisory duty of the managing attorney and yes they can give legal advice. Police officers cannot offer legal advice, they usually state a particular law you violated and tell you to talk to the prosecutor because they are deferring any representation they made. Second, I wouldn't tell anyone to kill someone even if you think its a joke and they are a joker for doing it. You could get nailed for conspiracy and accomplice liability. And Yes I am a Lawyer. JM

[irishevox]

i guess you could... i am saying ... Lawyer or not... the fact is it is not against the law to state your legal opinon. Which in turn could be taken as legal advice.
Please tell me what US code or WA state code  it is so i can look at this.  it would be intresting.  My dad is a judge in louisiana, for me it would be intresting to see the differences in napoleonic code (which we have down there) and here which is Common Law.   I am it was a I mean yeah you are right if i told someone to directly kill a particular person... then i think yeah you might be in a little hot water and serve some serious time
and let me ask you a question About Washington State Bar rules... i am not questioning your expertise on this particular topic b/c you are a Lawyer and i am certinly not.. .but to educate my self and other viewers reading this for infomation,  do we follow Washing state Law as well as U.S. Federal Law.  Maybe under the WA. Bar Association while you are in law shcool it may be against the law but i don;t think it is against the law to give leagal advice... just my    ( there are alots ot cents in there)

[smdave]

It is not against the law to give advice legal or otherwise.

It is against the law to give legal representation as a lawyer and not be one.

[irishevox]

It is not against the law to give advice legal or otherwise.

It is against the law to give legal representation as a lawyer and not be one.

 You can represent yourself in court.  If you say your a lawyer and then go to court and represent a client and say yout a lawyer.. i think thats what your saying right? is against the law?
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