How Russian wolf hunters help animal rights groups

[AspenBud]

The reason they didn't shoot it again was to keep from adding holes in the pelt which would devalue the pelt. I'm sure those guys are fairly conservative when it comes to wasting money. Trappers know the value of a clean hide.

Trapping involves wounding an animal with a gun and chasing it down with a truck?

If you're concerned about the pelt, blowing apart an animal like that and then letting it run for nearly 5 minutes isn't a good way to preserve it. If the animal was actually trapped, and it wasn't in that video, a shot to the head or a long handled club to the head would do the job.

[AspenBud]

as long as the wolf huggers hold out on allowing management the more hate will be created in rural areas as unmanaged wolves kill livestock and game herds. The wolf lovers are now probably the wolf's worst enemy in America. 

True. One of the justifications for allowing a wolf hunt in parts of the Midwest that I've seen from wildlife biologists out there is it will help people get over their fear of them and give them a sense of the control over the situation.

The problem here as I see it is let's be honest, they were never wanted in areas where livestock roam and a lot of hunters didn't want them either. The moment one wolf walked into/was released/or whatever anyone wants to believe the state people wanted a season on them. No bio in this state was going to agree with that and I have a gut feeling that the general attitude west of the mountains at WDFW is one of "oh those people, they have been crying wolf and wanting to shoot them since before they were released. Ignore them." Because of that you now have a perfect storm.

[bearpaw]

as long as the wolf huggers hold out on allowing management the more hate will be created in rural areas as unmanaged wolves kill livestock and game herds. The wolf lovers are now probably the wolf's worst enemy in America. 

True. One of the justifications for allowing a wolf hunt in parts of the Midwest that I've seen from wildlife biologists out there is it will help people get over their fear of them and give them a sense of the control over the situation.

The problem here as I see it is let's be honest, they were never wanted in areas where livestock roam and a lot of hunters didn't want them either. The moment one wolf walked into/was released/or whatever anyone wants to believe the state people wanted a season on them. No bio in this state was going to agree with that and I have a gut feeling that the general attitude west of the mountains at WDFW is one of "oh those people, they have been crying wolf and wanting to shoot them since before they were released. Ignore them." Because of that you now have a perfect storm.

Of course they weren't wanted because everyone knew exactly what would happen and now it's been proven true by the agencies, a lack of management. I think people in rural areas would put up with a reasonable number of wolves mostly in remote areas that don't impact livestock growers or decimate game herds. The WDFW seems to have taken a position that wolves are more important than other wildlife, that rural Washington is stuck with however many wolves can breed, game herd reductions and livestock depredation seem to be of little importance to WDFW, and NE WA is stuck with whatever happens due to these rapidly expanding wolf packs.

To add insult to injury, WDFW shows up in Colville with a rehearsed generic message that stunk, they had no answers for the hard questions about how they were going to deal with the expanding wolf population in NE WA nor did they answer the question I posed asking about future hunter opportunity with the increased predation on herds. WDFW seemed to expect local people to fall in line like a bunch of uneducated subjects of the state. Until WDFW realizes they work for all people (not just Conservation Northwest) and that they should manage all wildlife equally (not just potect wolves), I doubt they will get much public support in NE Washington.

[pianoman9701]

as long as the wolf huggers hold out on allowing management the more hate will be created in rural areas as unmanaged wolves kill livestock and game herds. The wolf lovers are now probably the wolf's worst enemy in America. 

True. One of the justifications for allowing a wolf hunt in parts of the Midwest that I've seen from wildlife biologists out there is it will help people get over their fear of them and give them a sense of the control over the situation.

The problem here as I see it is let's be honest, they were never wanted in areas where livestock roam and a lot of hunters didn't want them either. The moment one wolf walked into/was released/or whatever anyone wants to believe the state people wanted a season on them. No bio in this state was going to agree with that and I have a gut feeling that the general attitude west of the mountains at WDFW is one of "oh those people, they have been crying wolf and wanting to shoot them since before they were released. Ignore them." Because of that you now have a perfect storm.

Of course they weren't wanted because everyone knew exactly what would happen and now it's been proven true by the agencies, a lack of management. I think people in rural areas would put up with a reasonable number of wolves mostly in remote areas that don't impact livestock growers or decimate game herds. The WDFW seems to have taken a position that wolves are more important than other wildlife, that rural Washington is stuck with however many wolves can breed, game herd reductions and livestock depredation seem to be of little importance to WDFW, and NE WA is stuck with whatever happens due to these rapidly expanding wolf packs.

To add insult to injury, WDFW shows up in Colville with a rehearsed generic message that stunk, they had no answers for the hard questions about how they were going to deal with the expanding wolf population in NE WA nor did they answer the question I posed asking about future hunter opportunity with the increased predation on herds. WDFW seemed to expect local people to fall in line like a bunch of uneducated subjects of the state. Until WDFW realizes they work for all people (not just Conservation Northwest) and that they should manage all wildlife equally (not just potect wolves), I doubt they will get much public support in NE Washington.

It's not a question of management or of science. It's completely political and the governor, then Gregoire and now Inslee, panders to the whining Seattle/Tacoma and Olympia liberals instead of making common sense changes to the failing wolf plan. They don't care about you, Dale and all E. Washingtonians, and that is passed down from the top to the DFW, even if the DFW wanted to do something about - and they don't. The votes that keep these cretins in office don't come from the east.

[bearpaw]

   so true, which is why they are failing the rest of the state;s people and wildlife....

[BIGINNER]

the guys were saying something about the wolf getting too close to the horses.  so they probably shot it and it took off. they chased it down but were afraid the get out of the car for fear of being attacked.  they shot at it several times but missed, or just didn't kill it,.. 

it looks like they are located in a very desolate part of the country. (possibly Siberia) and were protecting their horses. and didn't want a wounded wolf around they're property.

its always ugly to see an animal die like this, but it didn't seem like they were just out killing for sport, although they seemed really excited, (who wouldn't be).

we are used to always seeing hunting being done in a civilized way, be it for sport or for food. but when you are living in a desolate place like that, depending on the land and on your animals, killing an animal (especially a predator)  can get ugly. 

they definitely shouldn't have posted the video in youtube, but they are Russian hill billies who just killed a wolf!! they wanted to share their cool experience with everyone., you think they gave a rats a$$ that some Americans in their condo will have their feelings hurt about it?   

[AspenBud]

as long as the wolf huggers hold out on allowing management the more hate will be created in rural areas as unmanaged wolves kill livestock and game herds. The wolf lovers are now probably the wolf's worst enemy in America. 

True. One of the justifications for allowing a wolf hunt in parts of the Midwest that I've seen from wildlife biologists out there is it will help people get over their fear of them and give them a sense of the control over the situation.

The problem here as I see it is let's be honest, they were never wanted in areas where livestock roam and a lot of hunters didn't want them either. The moment one wolf walked into/was released/or whatever anyone wants to believe the state people wanted a season on them. No bio in this state was going to agree with that and I have a gut feeling that the general attitude west of the mountains at WDFW is one of "oh those people, they have been crying wolf and wanting to shoot them since before they were released. Ignore them." Because of that you now have a perfect storm.

Of course they weren't wanted because everyone knew exactly what would happen and now it's been proven true by the agencies, a lack of management. I think people in rural areas would put up with a reasonable number of wolves mostly in remote areas that don't impact livestock growers or decimate game herds. The WDFW seems to have taken a position that wolves are more important than other wildlife, that rural Washington is stuck with however many wolves can breed, game herd reductions and livestock depredation seem to be of little importance to WDFW, and NE WA is stuck with whatever happens due to these rapidly expanding wolf packs.

To add insult to injury, WDFW shows up in Colville with a rehearsed generic message that stunk, they had no answers for the hard questions about how they were going to deal with the expanding wolf population in NE WA nor did they answer the question I posed asking about future hunter opportunity with the increased predation on herds. WDFW seemed to expect local people to fall in line like a bunch of uneducated subjects of the state. Until WDFW realizes they work for all people (not just Conservation Northwest) and that they should manage all wildlife equally (not just potect wolves), I doubt they will get much public support in NE Washington.

The meeting in Colville kind of confirmed what I am talking about.

[AspenBud]

as long as the wolf huggers hold out on allowing management the more hate will be created in rural areas as unmanaged wolves kill livestock and game herds. The wolf lovers are now probably the wolf's worst enemy in America. 

True. One of the justifications for allowing a wolf hunt in parts of the Midwest that I've seen from wildlife biologists out there is it will help people get over their fear of them and give them a sense of the control over the situation.

The problem here as I see it is let's be honest, they were never wanted in areas where livestock roam and a lot of hunters didn't want them either. The moment one wolf walked into/was released/or whatever anyone wants to believe the state people wanted a season on them. No bio in this state was going to agree with that and I have a gut feeling that the general attitude west of the mountains at WDFW is one of "oh those people, they have been crying wolf and wanting to shoot them since before they were released. Ignore them." Because of that you now have a perfect storm.

Of course they weren't wanted because everyone knew exactly what would happen and now it's been proven true by the agencies, a lack of management. I think people in rural areas would put up with a reasonable number of wolves mostly in remote areas that don't impact livestock growers or decimate game herds. The WDFW seems to have taken a position that wolves are more important than other wildlife, that rural Washington is stuck with however many wolves can breed, game herd reductions and livestock depredation seem to be of little importance to WDFW, and NE WA is stuck with whatever happens due to these rapidly expanding wolf packs.

To add insult to injury, WDFW shows up in Colville with a rehearsed generic message that stunk, they had no answers for the hard questions about how they were going to deal with the expanding wolf population in NE WA nor did they answer the question I posed asking about future hunter opportunity with the increased predation on herds. WDFW seemed to expect local people to fall in line like a bunch of uneducated subjects of the state. Until WDFW realizes they work for all people (not just Conservation Northwest) and that they should manage all wildlife equally (not just potect wolves), I doubt they will get much public support in NE Washington.

It's not a question of management or of science. It's completely political and the governor, then Gregoire and now Inslee, panders to the whining Seattle/Tacoma and Olympia liberals instead of making common sense changes to the failing wolf plan. They don't care about you, Dale and all E. Washingtonians, and that is passed down from the top to the DFW, even if the DFW wanted to do something about - and they don't. The votes that keep these cretins in office don't come from the east.

I'm not sure if either of the last two Republican gubernatorial candidates would have made much of a difference on the issue either. Both were from the Seattle area and both knew where the votes come from.

[pianoman9701]

I disagree. McKenna is a no-nonsense kind of guy.

[bearpaw]

I disagree. McKenna is a no-nonsense kind of guy.

   McKenna would have been fair.

[Axle]

The reason they didn't shoot it again was to keep from adding holes in the pelt which would devalue the pelt. I'm sure those guys are fairly conservative when it comes to wasting money. Trappers know the value of a clean hide.

Trapping involves wounding an animal with a gun and chasing it down with a truck?

If you're concerned about the pelt, blowing apart an animal like that and then letting it run for nearly 5 minutes isn't a good way to preserve it. If the animal was actually trapped, and it wasn't in that video, a shot to the head or a long handled club to the head would do the job.

AspenBud - your response to my quote is a bit off and rude. I never said it was trapped. Go back and read my post and if you still can't figure it out, perhaps you need another course in the English language. You don't sound like a hunter to me anyway. Hunters don't use phrases like 'blowing an animal apart'. Are you an anti hunter? Sure sounds like it from your posts.

[wolfbait]

as long as the wolf huggers hold out on allowing management the more hate will be created in rural areas as unmanaged wolves kill livestock and game herds. The wolf lovers are now probably the wolf's worst enemy in America. 

True. One of the justifications for allowing a wolf hunt in parts of the Midwest that I've seen from wildlife biologists out there is it will help people get over their fear of them and give them a sense of the control over the situation.

The problem here as I see it is let's be honest, they were never wanted in areas where livestock roam and a lot of hunters didn't want them either. The moment one wolf walked into/was released/or whatever anyone wants to believe the state people wanted a season on them. No bio in this state was going to agree with that and I have a gut feeling that the general attitude west of the mountains at WDFW is one of "oh those people, they have been crying wolf and wanting to shoot them since before they were released. Ignore them." Because of that you now have a perfect storm.

Of course they weren't wanted because everyone knew exactly what would happen and now it's been proven true by the agencies, a lack of management. I think people in rural areas would put up with a reasonable number of wolves mostly in remote areas that don't impact livestock growers or decimate game herds. The WDFW seems to have taken a position that wolves are more important than other wildlife, that rural Washington is stuck with however many wolves can breed, game herd reductions and livestock depredation seem to be of little importance to WDFW, and NE WA is stuck with whatever happens due to these rapidly expanding wolf packs.

To add insult to injury, WDFW shows up in Colville with a rehearsed generic message that stunk, they had no answers for the hard questions about how they were going to deal with the expanding wolf population in NE WA nor did they answer the question I posed asking about future hunter opportunity with the increased predation on herds. WDFW seemed to expect local people to fall in line like a bunch of uneducated subjects of the state. Until WDFW realizes they work for all people (not just Conservation Northwest) and that they should manage all wildlife equally (not just potect wolves), I doubt they will get much public support in NE Washington.

See now it was Defenders of Wildlife in the 1980's an early 90's, you will notice that they aren't playing in the open right now. But Conservation NW and WDFW are running the USFWS's original wolf introduction game, and doing a fine job of it.

Taking WA county by county as they are forced to confirm wolf packs killing livestock, but only one pack in each area, where there are more then likely several.

And yet there are still hunters who believe WDFW will pull head out of azz and sniff in some fresh air.. Won't happen the USFWS-DoW-Conservation BS=WDF&wolves.

[Northway]

as long as the wolf huggers hold out on allowing management the more hate will be created in rural areas as unmanaged wolves kill livestock and game herds. The wolf lovers are now probably the wolf's worst enemy in America. 

True. One of the justifications for allowing a wolf hunt in parts of the Midwest that I've seen from wildlife biologists out there is it will help people get over their fear of them and give them a sense of the control over the situation.

The problem here as I see it is let's be honest, they were never wanted in areas where livestock roam and a lot of hunters didn't want them either. The moment one wolf walked into/was released/or whatever anyone wants to believe the state people wanted a season on them. No bio in this state was going to agree with that and I have a gut feeling that the general attitude west of the mountains at WDFW is one of "oh those people, they have been crying wolf and wanting to shoot them since before they were released. Ignore them." Because of that you now have a perfect storm.

Of course they weren't wanted because everyone knew exactly what would happen and now it's been proven true by the agencies, a lack of management. I think people in rural areas would put up with a reasonable number of wolves mostly in remote areas that don't impact livestock growers or decimate game herds. The WDFW seems to have taken a position that wolves are more important than other wildlife, that rural Washington is stuck with however many wolves can breed, game herd reductions and livestock depredation seem to be of little importance to WDFW, and NE WA is stuck with whatever happens due to these rapidly expanding wolf packs.

To add insult to injury, WDFW shows up in Colville with a rehearsed generic message that stunk, they had no answers for the hard questions about how they were going to deal with the expanding wolf population in NE WA nor did they answer the question I posed asking about future hunter opportunity with the increased predation on herds. WDFW seemed to expect local people to fall in line like a bunch of uneducated subjects of the state. Until WDFW realizes they work for all people (not just Conservation Northwest) and that they should manage all wildlife equally (not just potect wolves), I doubt they will get much public support in NE Washington.

It's not a question of management or of science. It's completely political and the governor, then Gregoire and now Inslee, panders to the whining Seattle/Tacoma and Olympia liberals instead of making common sense changes to the failing wolf plan. They don't care about you, Dale and all E. Washingtonians, and that is passed down from the top to the DFW, even if the DFW wanted to do something about - and they don't. The votes that keep these cretins in office don't come from the east.

I'm not sure if either of the last two Republican gubernatorial candidates would have made much of a difference on the issue either. Both were from the Seattle area and both knew where the votes come from.

McKenna is fairly pragmatic. He made a couple of blunders to appeal to the base that cost him, and he lacked the force of personality that would give a republican a needed bump in this state. I watch these guys campaign and it really makes me wish I could take a crack at being a campaign manager for someone. 

He would have thrown stockgrowers/hunters a few bones but probably not enough to turn the issue into a firestorm back in the Puget Sound.