Wolf Attack at Harts Pass

[wolfbait]

Right you are Ice,  but who is in charge of the investigation? Not WDFW.

[wolfbait]

I wonder if someone will have to be killed by wolves before WDFW pulls head out of ass?

That won't help unless it's a greenie and they don't spend any time in the woods.

  What we saw today were mostly greenies, and I mean real green. You need to remember this is the Methow Valley.

[WAcoyotehunter]

From the article in the Methow Valley News:

“He felt he was in danger. He acted in self defense,” said Sgt. Dan Christensen of the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW).

I'm not totally convinced but from that quote from Sgt. Christensen it sounds like the Sgt. believes the hunter didn't do anything wrong.

Any non emotional intelligent input on that?

HAHAHA.... "Non emotional intelligent input" is not allowed on wolf threads.

[Ice Cap]

From the article in the Methow Valley News:

“He felt he was in danger. He acted in self defense,” said Sgt. Dan Christensen of the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW).

I'm not totally convinced but from that quote from Sgt. Christensen it sounds like the Sgt. believes the hunter didn't do anything wrong.

Any non emotional intelligent input on that?

HAHAHA.... "Non emotional intelligent input" is not allowed on wolf threads.

 

[JJB11B]

It really bothers me that the govt. thinks that it has to investigate someone who killed a wolf in self defense? they act like that animal is human. My opinion, If a wolf gets close enough for me to kill it with my sidearm while I am hunting then I am in danger and in fear for my life and well being and should have the right to take appropriate action to defend myself

[CAMPMEAT]

I liked the greenie painting on the side of the road we drove by today. He was a real go-getter for sure...

[hirshey]

It really bothers me that the govt. thinks that it has to investigate someone who killed a wolf in self defense? they act like that animal is human. My opinion, If a wolf gets close enough for me to kill it with my sidearm while I am hunting then I am in danger and in fear for my life and well being and should have the right to take appropriate action to defend myself

With my wolf encounter, I was told unless I had bite marks on me I would have been in trouble. It will be interesting to get the entire story someday. Carter (author or Wolfer) is already spinning up the emotions on his Facebook page.. I'll say the same thing I did on his page in response to all his North Carolina and California followers:

"As someone who has had more than one encounter with wolves in that geographical area and come out of a particularly tense encounter with these predators unharmed (both the wolves and myself), I grimace at these remarks. Most of you are quick to condemn a person to harsh penalties with very little to no information yet provided. Most of you have probably only seen wolves in photographs or enclosures, and certainly a rare few can speak of feeling threatened by a wild animal to an extreme level. Shame on you for even trying to pretend you would or could put yourself in that gentleman's shoes. He could have.. He should have.. None of us have the full story just yet, but if my encounter (and another friend's since) is any indication, this particular geographic area has demonstrated an unhealthy level of habituation and lack of respect of boundaries for human-wolf interactions.

http://m.spokesman.com/stories/2009/aug/30/wolf-hunting-just-one-facet-of-management-experts/

Old article but many of Carter's colleagues are cited as well as him.. Wolves that have become unwary of humans should be a large concern for everyone; for public safety as well as wolf recovery. With potentially that type of behavior being exhibited, it sets your cause back leaps and bounds. This is a sad day for everyone. At least he didn't just shoot it and leave it.. Perhaps he was trying to do what he felt was right. Again, ringing the alarm a little prematurely on this one Carter. Emotional journalism warfare at it's finest."

[wolfbait]

I liked the greenie painting on the side of the road we drove by today. He was a real go-getter for sure...

Camp, I finally got a hold of the range riders and the rancher,  he told me of four wolves seen in Beaver cr yesterday, so the three you thought you saw above the one wolf was probably the same bunch. He also reported these wolves to the joke we call WDFW

[wolfbait]

It really bothers me that the govt. thinks that it has to investigate someone who killed a wolf in self defense? they act like that animal is human. My opinion, If a wolf gets close enough for me to kill it with my sidearm while I am hunting then I am in danger and in fear for my life and well being and should have the right to take appropriate action to defend myself

With my wolf encounter, I was told unless I had bite marks on me I would have been in trouble. It will be interesting to get the entire story someday. Carter (author or Wolfer) is already spinning up the emotions on his Facebook page.. I'll say the same thing I did on his page in response to all his North Carolina and California followers:

"As someone who has had more than one encounter with wolves in that geographical area and come out of a particularly tense encounter with these predators unharmed (both the wolves and myself), I grimace at these remarks. Most of you are quick to condemn a person to harsh penalties with very little to no information yet provided. Most of you have probably only seen wolves in photographs or enclosures, and certainly a rare few can speak of feeling threatened by a wild animal to an extreme level. Shame on you for even trying to pretend you would or could put yourself in that gentleman's shoes. He could have.. He should have.. None of us have the full story just yet, but if my encounter (and another friend's since) is any indication, this particular geographic area has demonstrated an unhealthy level of habituation and lack of respect of boundaries for human-wolf interactions.

http://m.spokesman.com/stories/2009/aug/30/wolf-hunting-just-one-facet-of-management-experts/

Old article but many of Carter's colleagues are cited as well as him.. Wolves that have become unwary of humans should be a large concern for everyone; for public safety as well as wolf recovery. With potentially that type of behavior being exhibited, it sets your cause back leaps and bounds. This is a sad day for everyone. At least he didn't just shoot it and leave it.. Perhaps he was trying to do what he felt was right. Again, ringing the alarm a little prematurely on this one Carter. Emotional journalism warfare at it's finest."

The stupidity of the USFWS and WDFW shows up in their definition of a wolf attack. Taken to court they would not have leg to stand on, and they know this. Maybe they have another hand-picked crooked judge for wolf attacks.

[CAMPMEAT]

I liked the greenie painting on the side of the road we drove by today. He was a real go-getter for sure...

Camp, I finally got a hold of the range riders and the rancher,  he told me of four wolves seen in Beaver cr yesterday, so the three you thought you saw above the one wolf was probably the same bunch. He also reported these wolves to the joke we call WDFW

I thought it was more wolves. What I saw certainly didn't run like deer. Too bad you weren't standing where I saw the others running.

[saylean]

Well said Hirshey, I was waiting for you to give your insight due to last years experience.

I will be out alone in an area with wolves very soon, like many of you. I would have to say that if I felt threatened by one or many of those things (or a griz or frankly a person), it would be the same result as this guys situation. Sounds to me, like his actions are honest. Not many poachers or people who would SSS would willingly go get enforcement and let them know about it. I hope he gets off with nothing but a story to tell (that, and the death threats I am sure he is getting by all the wolf nuts).

[snowpack]

Well said Hirshey, I was waiting for you to give your insight due to last years experience.

I will be out alone in an area with wolves very soon, like many of you. I would have to say that if I felt threatened by one or many of those things (or a griz or frankly a person), it would be the same result as this guys situation. Sounds to me, like his actions are honest. Not many poachers or people who would SSS would willingly go get enforcement and let them know about it. I hope he gets off with nothing but a story to tell (that, and the death threats I am sure he is getting by all the wolf nuts).

yeah, on one of the hiking sites one of the wolf nuts is implying 'justice' will catch up with the hunter.

[Northway]

Well said Hirshey, I was waiting for you to give your insight due to last years experience.

I will be out alone in an area with wolves very soon, like many of you. I would have to say that if I felt threatened by one or many of those things (or a griz or frankly a person), it would be the same result as this guys situation. Sounds to me, like his actions are honest. Not many poachers or people who would SSS would willingly go get enforcement and let them know about it. I hope he gets off with nothing but a story to tell (that, and the death threats I am sure he is getting by all the wolf nuts).

Self-reporting definitely scores a lot of points in my book. There's always the argument about what is or isn't a real threat, and we all know that some guys are just more skittish than others, but you can't take the honesty of reporting the encounter away from him.

[pianoman9701]

Well said Hirshey, I was waiting for you to give your insight due to last years experience.

I will be out alone in an area with wolves very soon, like many of you. I would have to say that if I felt threatened by one or many of those things (or a griz or frankly a person), it would be the same result as this guys situation. Sounds to me, like his actions are honest. Not many poachers or people who would SSS would willingly go get enforcement and let them know about it. I hope he gets off with nothing but a story to tell (that, and the death threats I am sure he is getting by all the wolf nuts).

yeah, on one of the hiking sites one of the wolf nuts is implying 'justice' will catch up with the hunter.

Ironically, it's the hikers with whom justice will catch up if the wolves have any say.

[curlewkiller]

Bite marks?  You have got to be kidding me.  If those things do not turn and run or if move toward me, I believe I would do the same.  This type of reaction is exactly why many of us who would normally report this type of encounter, might think twice.  Bummer.