Guides, really?

[Kc_Kracker]

so after ready a few threads on canned hunts, leaves me to ask. if you have a mountain of apples on private property where a herd comes through, with a blind and 5 guns pointing at the herd, how does this make you a guide? seems more like a taxi  I have a 200 gallon fish tank, i know where to find fish, can i be a fishing guide?

[coachcw]

the difference is once they shoot once there hunts over ! elk begone! you can fish intill there all caught . the sad thing is guys pay good money for this service and leave with a bad taste

[Kc_Kracker]

i just dont think i could call a private prop. canned hunter guide, a real guide. i love hearing the stories of real guides in the mountains getting their people on animals, now thats a guide!

[scout/sniper]

  Nice KC
My brother was an elk guide in colorado, pack-in and camp, hunt down the elk.
Very hard work. That's a guided hunt.

[BOWHUNTER45]

i just dont think i could call a private prop. canned hunter guide, a real guide. i love hearing the stories of real guides in the mountains getting their people on animals, now thats a guide!

Yeah I agree ,, A guided hunt should be an adventure ...not sitting on 10 pounds of apples or a feeder throwing corn all over the place  If I ever need a guide it will be for moose in Alaska  ..other than that I can take care of myself ! Actually I would not mind going on a hunt with Bear paw but that would have to be something to do with his hounds ....Like cougar in Idaho or something 

[singleshot12]

 

[Michelle_Nelson]

There are people that are not capable of doing it all by themselves.  What about people in wheelchairs, that have major health problems, kids, or kids with disabilities.  Even older people that just can't get around like they use to but still want to be as involved as they can with the meat they put in the freezer.  Those that wouldn't be able to do it if they didn't sit in a blind in someones field over apples.   

I see these thread a couple times a year that put down High fence hunting, hunting in a farm field, or hunting over bait.  How it's not "sporting" and it's not a challenge. 

Not everyone has the opportunity to get out and hunt like the majority of us.

I think we forget and take for granted our abilities to get out and enjoy the outdoors.   

[kentrek]

There are people that are not capable of doing it all by themselves.  What about people in wheelchairs, that have major health problems, kids, or kids with disabilities.  Even older people that just can't get around like they use to but still want to be as involved as they can with the meat they put in the freezer.  Those that wouldn't be able to do it if they didn't sit in a blind in someones field over apples.   

I see these thread a couple times a year that put down High fence hunting, hunting in a farm field, or hunting over bait.  How it's not "sporting" and it's not a challenge. 

Not everyone has the opportunity to get out and hunt like the majority of us.

I think we forget and take for granted our abilities to get out and enjoy the outdoors.

  i took an older guy out for Toutle bull this September...didnt walk 1/3 a mile before he started talking bout taking a nitro pill

def made me think about setting him in a stand.....

[RB]

There are people that are not capable of doing it all by themselves.  What about people in wheelchairs, that have major health problems, kids, or kids with disabilities.  Even older people that just can't get around like they use to but still want to be as involved as they can with the meat they put in the freezer.  Those that wouldn't be able to do it if they didn't sit in a blind in someones field over apples.   

I see these thread a couple times a year that put down High fence hunting, hunting in a farm field, or hunting over bait.  How it's not "sporting" and it's not a challenge. 

Not everyone has the opportunity to get out and hunt like the majority of us.

I think we forget and take for granted our abilities to get out and enjoy the outdoors.

  i took an older guy out for Toutle bull this September...didnt walk 1/3 a mile before he started talking bout taking a nitro pill

def made me think about setting him in a stand.....

Hope your CPR card is up to date 

[Kc_Kracker]

yes michelle you are correct, that is a totally different story i really loved watching the episode of tred barta where he wanted to get his first mtn lion, the guides were so cool they carried his wheelchair like 300 yards to where the dogs treed it, took him a bit to get his bearings but he got it sighted and took it archery, was really a great episode, he almost fell out of his wheelchair several times over the terrain and didnt think he could make the trip but they made sure of it, now THOSE guides i respect they went so far beyond thier duty to see him succeed  guides who help the handicapped are amazing  i actually talked to a guy last year whos in his 70's who can no longer get out well, and he wants to get a elk bad, i offered to help him this year if he needs, i hope he calls it would be an honer 

[HornHoarder]

I see nothing wrong with sitting in a blind over a feedpile. It can be a very productive way to hunt, but it should not be the only way you hunt. Imo you should not be offering guided hunts if you have limited acreage, and that is your only option.

[bobcat]

I don't see anything wrong with offering that type of guided hunt, as long as people know ahead of time what they're paying for. Somebody might as well hunt the local elk. If a guy has access to private property and wants to selll hunts to people, and set them up in a blind over a pile of apples, I see nothing wrong with it. If you're not interested in that kind of hunt, then don't do it! Obviously there are people willing to pay for this type of hunt, as the outfitter we are all talking about has paying customers every year. I'm certainly not going to put someone down for wanting to try an "easy" hunt like that. If they've got the money to spend, why not? I'd probably do it if I had the money, not with that particular outfitter because of his illiteracy.     But a guy with a better reputation I would do it if I had nothing better to do and money to burn.

[Michelle_Nelson]

I see nothing wrong with sitting in a blind over a feedpile. It can be a very productive way to hunt, but it should not be the only way you hunt.

I read on here all the time, people complaining about another hunting group.  Hunters complaining about Hound Hunters ruining there hunt when the dogs run through there set.  Then suggesting limits on when they can run there dogs.  Rifle hunters complaining about Archery hunters getting the best seasons.  Archery hunters accusing Rifle Hunters about being lazy.  It goes on and on and on. 

So the question I have is why is any ONE group better than the other?  This line of thinking is going to be what gets hunting shut down for all of us.  There is no one to blame but ourselves but everyone wants to blame PETA and the Greenies. 

Why do you think the animal rights people only target one hunting group at a time?  Right now it's Trapping and Hound Hunting.  It's because they know it's a small group of people.  Because they know that Rifle Hunters, Archery Hunters, Muzzle loader hunters, Fisherman, Elk Hunters, Deer Hunters, Bear Hunters, Upland Bird Hunters, Small Game hunters, and Turkey Hunters are to self absorbed with there sport to come to the defense of the trappers or hound hunters.

Bear Baiting is already shut down.  Probably never get it back.  We probably could if everyone would pull together.  Regardless if Bear Baiting is your cup of tea.  It's about supporting the "HUNTING COMMUNITY".

Imo you should not be offering guided hunts if you have limited acreage, and that is your only option.

Why not?  Where should the limit be drawn?  It should be the guides responsibility to be honest with potential clients on how much land there is to hunt, what type of hunting will be done, and what the chances are.  It is the Hunters responsibility to do there research on the person they want to pay to go hunting with.

[Jayfire83]

i just dont think i could call a private prop. canned hunter guide, a real guide. i love hearing the stories of real guides in the mountains getting their people on animals, now thats a guide!

[Jayfire83]

I drive by one of these so called guides blinds everyday on my way to work, it's only 200yds of of a major road/ high way in the middle of a yard, under some trees right in the open! I laugh every time I drive by! But hey.... To each there own!

[deaner]

as far as jayfires comments go, i agree for myself, that is not my thing.  but maybe youll sing a different tune when youre 80 years old and incontinent and want to get one last decent mature buck / bull?  maybe i will sing a different tune myself at that point.  if a fit young person pays for that they have no bragging rights, but not everybody is fit and young.  i know, for myself, if i live 50 more years i wont be hunting the deep dark nasty *censored*.  but i may still want one last trophy before i die.

and for the record, in the context youre using, its "their" not "there"

[HornHoarder]

Michelle...  I think you misinterpreted my post. Not at all trying to say how you or anyone else should hunt. If its legal I don't care.

[6x6in6]

as far as jayfires comments go, i agree for myself, that is not my thing.  but maybe youll sing a different tune when youre 80 years old and incontinent and want to get one last decent mature buck / bull?  maybe i will sing a different tune myself at that point.  if a fit young person pays for that they have no bragging rights, but not everybody is fit and young.  i know, for myself, if i live 50 more years i wont be hunting the deep dark nasty *censored*.  but i may still want one last trophy before i die.

and for the record, in the context youre using, its "their" not "there"

Now that's funny!!! 
You need to find the apostrophe feature on your phone so you can complete the misuse of the word youre when trying to correct one's use of the word there.  Let alone all the rest of the punctuation issues you tossed out.   

If someone wants to pay the bucks, have a good time.  Do your homework.  If your satisfied with the bang for the buck then enjoy the hunt.

[6x6in6]

yes, i willingly and admittedly disregard punctuation.  but you still used YOUR instead or YOURE

its  YOU'RE satisfied not YOUR satisfied.. i disregard punctuation to make my typing faster.  you use the incorrect version of the word due to borderline illiteracy

Good catch.  That one was done just for you to see if your paying attention.   
Why use all the comma's then?   

[deaner]

well i think my drunk ass incorrectly corrected you.  i deleted my post.  but now you did it for sure!  and i use lots of commas to break up my rambling sentences.  hitting a comma is fast and doesnt interrupt my train of thought.  give a drunk guy a break damnit!

wait, i did catch a mistake, in the last sentence.  damnit.

[deaner]

*censored* youre in bellingham, do you know a derek or a blake or a neil, if youre a duck hunter?  seems like everybody there is a duck hunter

[6x6in6]

well i think my drunk ass incorrectly corrected you.  i deleted my post.  but now you did it for sure!  and i use lots of commas to break up my rambling sentences.  hitting a comma is fast and doesnt interrupt my train of thought.  give a drunk guy a break damnit!

wait, i did catch a mistake, in the last sentence.  damnit.

LOL!

I ain't exactly sober myself.
It's all good!   

[6x6in6]

*censored* youre in bellingham, do you know a derek or a blake or a neil, if youre a duck hunter?  seems like everybody there is a duck hunter

None of them.
I'm a transplant to Whatcom County, 8 years ago.
I pretty much gave up waterfowl years ago.   Took too many to fill the freezer. 
Elk fills it quicker and tastes better.

[Turner89]

as far as jayfires comments go, i agree for myself, that is not my thing.  but maybe youll sing a different tune when youre 80 years old and incontinent and want to get one last decent mature buck / bull?  maybe i will sing a different tune myself at that point.  if a fit young person pays for that they have no bragging rights, but not everybody is fit and young.  i know, for myself, if i live 50 more years i wont be hunting the deep dark nasty *censored*.  but i may still want one last trophy before i die.

and for the record, in the context youre using, its "their" not "there"

Now that's funny!!! 
You need to find the apostrophe feature on your phone so you can complete the misuse of the word youre when trying to correct one's use of the word there.  Let alone all the rest of the punctuation issues you tossed out.   

If someone wants to pay the bucks, have a good time.  Do your homework.  If your satisfied with the bang for the buck then enjoy the hunt.

  I love the english lessons.
 

[Dan-o]

To each their own.

Some don't like baiting.

Some don't think you shoot shoot a Tom you didn't call in.

Some think high powered rifles aren't sporting.

Some swear lighted nocks are evil.

[Jayfire83]

as far as jayfires comments go, i agree for myself, that is not my thing.  but maybe youll sing a different tune when youre 80 years old and incontinent and want to get one last decent mature buck / bull?  maybe i will sing a different tune myself at that point.  if a fit young person pays for that they have no bragging rights, but not everybody is fit and young.  i know, for myself, if i live 50 more years i wont be hunting the deep dark nasty *censored*.  but i may still want one last trophy before i die.

and for the record, in the context youre using, its "their" not "there"

Now that's funny!!! 
You need to find the apostrophe feature on your phone so you can complete the misuse of the word youre when trying to correct one's use of the word there.  Let alone all the rest of the punctuation issues you tossed out.   

If someone wants to pay the bucks, have a good time.  Do your homework.  If your satisfied with the bang for the buck then enjoy the hunt.

  I love the english lessons.
[/quotes   Well I guess I am the reason for this English battle! Lol that's just what I get for typing on my phone after a couple whiskeys! My apologies.

[jackelope]

To each their own.

Some don't like baiting.

Some don't think you shoot shoot a Tom you didn't call in.

Some think high powered rifles aren't sporting.

Some swear lighted nocks are evil.

Exactly.

Some can't apparently find enough things to complain about.

[trophyhunt]

yes michelle you are correct, that is a totally different story i really loved watching the episode of tred barta where he wanted to get his first mtn lion, the guides were so cool they carried his wheelchair like 300 yards to where the dogs treed it, took him a bit to get his bearings but he got it sighted and took it archery, was really a great episode, he almost fell out of his wheelchair several times over the terrain and didnt think he could make the trip but they made sure of it, now THOSE guides i respect they went so far beyond thier duty to see him succeed  guides who help the handicapped are amazing  i actually talked to a guy last year whos in his 70's who can no longer get out well, and he wants to get a elk bad, i offered to help him this year if he needs, i hope he calls it would be an honer 

My ultimate dream in life, if I ever won the lottery I would go to guiding school, buy some huge azz property with wildlife abound and guide only those with disabilities and underprivileged. I've called in elk before for someone and the feeling is almost as good as killing the elk yourself. I can't imagine how rewarding it would be to help those who need just a bit more.

[pianoman9701]

People hire guides for different reasons and there are many guides who cater to a specific type of hunt. As Michelle so eloquently stated, there are people with physical disabilities which prevent them from a back country hunt, or even a hike up a trail. There are businessmen from Portland or Seattle who want to shoot an animal on a Saturday morning and be back in bed by Saturday night. Then there are those who want to hunt from a drop camp 20 miles from a road or hike up a ridge and hunt where no one else will go. What's important is that when someone pays for a guide, they hire the correct guide for that which they wish to accomplish. If someone thinks that driving to a blind, sitting over a pile of apples, and shooting a raghorn bull (or even a nice mature bull) with a croissant and a latte next to them is hunting and they do it legally and ethically, who am I to dis them just because it's not my thing? The fact that they buy a license, a gun, ammo, and further stimulate the outdoor economy by hiring a guide means they're deserving of acceptance by the rest of the hunting community.

I have to respectfully disagree with the OP on this one. I have no problem with anyone hunting legally and ethically, using whatever means they want to employ. Let's not pick which legal hunters to support while the antis choose all of us to oppose.