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Seeking advice from experienced winter campers
« on: November 08, 2013, 02:08:03 AM »
So, I've gone camping several times during my life. I have not, however, gone winter camping. Basically I'm seeking any good advice I can get to make my life easier. I'm hunting unit 124 for late WT action. Any words of wisdom will be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Seeking advice from experienced winter campers
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2013, 05:50:09 AM »
I winter camp all the time. The big thing for me is having a heated tent with room to move around in (hang up clothing to dry). I have a insulated circular tent (Korean war era) called a GP Small that will take a stove but its around 100lbs and difficult to move long distances. I've also done this with a wall tent with a tarp over the top with the stove jack cut out of the tarp. The trap will keep the heat in and keep the rain/snow from coming through.

I guess the big question is will you be camping nearby your truck or are you planning to hike in to camp. Too totally different answers for that.
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Re: Seeking advice from experienced winter campers
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2013, 07:14:45 AM »
We have winter backcountry snow camped for years and years. Tent on top of snow, no heater. Learned a lot over the years.

Have multiple changes of clothing ready for use.

Only use poly type clothing, no cotton. Wool OK too.

Change into dry thermals before bedtime...

Bring some extra blankets for over and under your sleeping bag.

Sleep with a stocking cap on, light gloves on too if needed.

Increase your water intake. Winter is actually a great time to get dehydrated. Your normal skin relative humidity (Rh) level is high; at about 85%. Winter weather is way way lower, sometimes down in the 10-15% Rh, and this offset causes your skin to pump tons of moisture to the surface to keep things moist. The low winter humidity evaporates off your moisture, your skin gets dry, cracks, your eyes feel dry or irritated, your lips crack, all because of the low humidity of winter weather. Even in a snow storm. You really need to crank up the water intake. Your pee should be only slightly yellow to clear, not dark yellow (sign of dehydration).

Avoid caffeine, (a vasoconstrictor) it shrinks your veins and reduces blood flow to your hands/feet making you feel cold.

Avoid alcohol, (a vasodilator) it opens your veins and allows your body to cool at the surface (skin), more so than it normally would as your body attempts to regulate heat.

Warm drinks are a good option too, non-caff cocoa, non-caff teas, coffees, etc. The kids really like warm jello drinks, warm tang, warm lemonade, warm apple cider, etc...

Extra calories in your diet are in order for a winter camp trip, extra calories = extra body heat.

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Re: Seeking advice from experienced winter campers
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2013, 07:36:03 AM »
2 words.  WOOD STOVE

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Re: Seeking advice from experienced winter campers
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2013, 12:58:09 PM »
Thank you very much. Means a lot. I'm probably going to camp close to my vehicle. I lounge the idea of keeping the food supply in the truck rather outside the tent lol I don't know if I can swing the stove this year. I have all Thermal and wool clothing, separate wool socks and long johns for bed time, -15f
Mummy sleeping bag, extra tarps to make a slant to to drain snow and water.... I guess a good question to ask is how difficult is starting a fire? I plan on bringing a little, but we usually cut the real small trees down for more when we go camping. I really appreciate everybody taking the time to help me out.

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Re: Seeking advice from experienced winter campers
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2013, 01:03:58 PM »
Meant to say, I plan on bringing some fire wood

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Re: Seeking advice from experienced winter campers
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2013, 01:09:10 PM »
Get yourself a hot water bladder.

Fill it with boiling hot water and throw it in your sleeping bag just before bed. It will keep you warm all night long..

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Re: Seeking advice from experienced winter campers
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2013, 01:32:45 PM »
A good sleeping mat is key as well to insulate you from the cold ground.. Check out the Exped DownMat's for great warmth and comfort

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Re: Seeking advice from experienced winter campers
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2013, 01:38:24 PM »
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Re: Seeking advice from experienced winter campers
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2013, 03:25:10 PM »
Just so happens most of my camping seems to involve a negative in the temperature talk.

Ive done a TON of arctic camping.
From -45 out on the North slopes, to Rainier, Whitney, to late muley hunts. Ive done several weeks in the snow with very little....

- ALWAYS bring a sleeping pad. 2 if you can afford it (weight/ space wise). If you dont, make a bow bed, grass bed, stick bed... Whatever bed, just GET OF THE GROUND. The best bag in the world wont keep you warm if you dont.

- I prefer to avoid a bivy if its real cold. They condensate. ALL OF THEM (to some degree).
                   - If its not real cold (I use below freezing as a measure), i use a bivy as the rain becomes a factor.

- Putting a warm liquid container in bed with you is not a bad idea (do it myself), but a risk. Kinda a big one. If it leaks/ opens...... You may not wake up.

- Synthetic bag.... No down. People will chime in, your call who to listen to. I have lived off my back for 28 straight days, in sub zero temps. with a quality synthetic bag. No drama.
                    - Spent 7 days on a 72 mile voyage with a Mt Hardwear phantom 0. Great bag. I burn hot, and condensation was present as I slept. Down loses all insulation value when wet. I slept the last 3 days on a fire bed in all my cold gear. Not worth the risk!!!! Dont trade compression/weight for safety/comfort.

-Hit up a surplus store, and get a old Army camo blanket. Throw it in the bottom of your bag. It will help keep your feet warm. If the bottom falls out of the temp, pull it up to your vitals. It will raise the temp rating on your bag 10-15 degrees.

- If you bag is improperly fit (yes, there is a bag design for each body), fold the excess under your feet at night. Your body will try to warm up all the excess, and your warmth will be reduced as a result.

- Place your shoes OUTSIDE but under your sleeping bag at night. Learned the hard way that boot laces are capable of freezing to the point they are like a coat hanger or a phone pole (had some i could place on the ground and laces were paralell the ground  :o). This also helps (though very, very little) with drying your boots.

- Socks, Socks, Socks. If your socks (or any clothing item) is the slightest bit damp. Change it out. It will pull the heat straight out of you. A bag will not slow it down much either.

- Put your battery powered items in your bag at night. I wrap them in a dry jacket, and use them as a pillow. Batteries are fine in cold weather UNTIL they have been activated. Then a little satanic *censored* known as cold soaking WILL creep up on you while your not looking. Dead batts...

- Kinda a debatable topic. Some say sleep as close to naked as possible. Some say wear all base and thermal layers. I would start the coldest and find out what works for you. If you wake up cold, put a thermal top on. Then bottoms etc... Dont go hot all at once or your bag will start to condensate.

- If you choose to rock a bivy, put all your outer garments between your bivy and your bag (if they're dry). It will keep them from freezing, and its much nicer to put on a kinda warm top then a freezing top.

- Water freezes from the top down. Think rivers lakes etc... So if you use a nalgene, or canteen (suggested) turn it upside down before bed. The top (really the bottom as you drink) will be frozen but the threads will not be. During the day do the same thing, unless you have a insulator. If you use a camelback..... Brave! Ive done it, but it sucks. Typically your hose freezes. If you route it under your armpit, and stow the mouth valve in a pocket you stand a chance of not freezing your line.

- Always bring spare socks.

- A way to intake HOT liquids is almost a must. Unless your harder than woodpecker lips, you'll appreciate it. Even if its water.

- Chapstick. A MUST!!!!!!!!!

- If your using a tent instead of a bivy, make an effort to keep the snow outside. It will warm up, melt, and make life hell. (this is mainly if your cooking in the tent as well. Not preferred, but at times necessary).

- If the bottom washes out of the temp, and your face is cold, place a t shirt around your head. Or bring a scarf. Your body will burn a ton of energy, water, and heat trying to warm your breath as you take in air. This will help a ton. It is very noticeable. A neck gator by smart wool is one of my favorites.
           - If its real cold and your a restless sleeper (most new winter campers are), dont use the hoody in your bag for anything more than a pillow case. Instead, wear a nice thick beanie, and a face wrap/ neck gator. You will breath all over your sleeping bag making the face hole an ice box. It doesn't seem to freeze folks up as much as its uncomfortable and keeps them awake. Kinda funny.

- As already mentioned, dehydration in winter is way more common than most other seasons as you do not "feel" the need to drink. Just know that. Your fuel consumption will skyrocket. Carbs are not a bad thing for a winter camper.

- Eat just before bed. As your core digests food, it creates heat. :twocents:

- If you can help it, pitch a bivy under a large STURDY tree. If snow hits, it will help keep you from being buried. The down fall, if the wind hits  you may get buried in a even less desirable way!

- Then all the normal stuff applies. Fire starter, knife, yadda yadda yadda......

Remember this. Condensation kills. Its better to be slightly cool (not cold) while sleeping/ hunting at than toasty. If you have a wall tent or a camper... Different story....

A cold camp is a mans camp!

Eitherway, you will likely learn something about yourself which is always a good thing. I have seen the toughest SOB's reduced to nothing from being cold and wet for days on end, so dont feel bad if your motivation starts to waiver a little. I'd bet it will, but just drive on man. If you leave because it's "kinda sucking", you'll wish you never had, and you most definitely will wish you were "back in the suck"....

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Re: Seeking advice from experienced winter campers
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2013, 03:31:50 PM »
Fires are cake man. If there is snow on the deck, you will need a platform. Use a cleared off stump, a thick piece of bark, piece of plywood etc...

All your doing is keeping the fire from burning to through the snow before it can get a coal bed. Dont build a fire on more than a few feet or your waisting time/ resources. Dig out a fire pit to the ground then start her up. It will be a mud bath though. And a platform may still be necessary as the water from the melt will dick up your coal bed.

Try using cotton balls and Vaseline. Great stuff. Can almost catch a puddle on fire (DBHAWTHORNE might be able to anyhow).

If its more wet than anything, break the low lying bows off the standing trees. If its real wet, break them open with a sturdy knife. Ive seen times when thats the only dry stuff in the forest. Dont pick stuff up off the wet ground and expect it to burn right away. It will after it smokes you aout and drys off.

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Re: Seeking advice from experienced winter campers
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2013, 03:32:55 PM »
Motel 8!! :chuckle: just leave an hour earlier to be to your spot!!


all kidding aside. I have winter  camped  multiple times in sub zero temps. It was fun and gratifying. Just remember more clothes on your body at night usually means a cold night of sleep! Get a good quality bag. Remember the cold ground will sap your heat faster than anything. A good insulating pad is a must( even evergreen boughs work well. One night -10 and slept well on 5" of boughs).take off your hunting clothes. You may think you will stay warmer with them on but you have lots of trapped moisture in them from your own body, and this will chill you. If you have a good tent great, but don't let that discourage you. I have slept very well with a cheap tarp cover configured into a diamond fly at 9000' in Oregon and it snowed on us every day for 4 days. Don't let the weather scare you just know your options. Good boots, bag and shelter, and of course clothing and you will have a ball and build your. Hunting and camping self esteem!! Good luck and stick a goodun!
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Re: Seeking advice from experienced winter campers
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2013, 03:42:09 PM »
Right on! I'm glad I signed up for this forum. You guys are great

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Re: Seeking advice from experienced winter campers
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2013, 03:48:01 PM »
Atleast its not going to be that cold here for the next week.. Rather mild. Campfire is a must when it gets dark by 5. Makes for a long cold boring night.

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Re: Seeking advice from experienced winter campers
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2013, 03:56:14 PM »
Lots of good points.  I'd rather camp in -20 than 30 or 40 degrees and slushy or rainy...  Hard to get wet when super cold.  Just don't sweat.  Wear layers and keep tabs on your sweat situation.  Vent if needed.

You can buy a box of pocket warmers at Costco.  I throw one or 2 down by my feet and one or 2 as need up above by my hands and main body area.  They last from 4-10 hours and really make things nice.  I camp with my kids and these things really have saved the trip for them.

Definately get insulation from the ground.  And you'd be surprised at how uncomfortable snow can be to camp on.  Every foot print and spot your rest your knee makes a lump.  I try to pack down the area I'm setting my tent on as tight as possible first thing.

Watch the condensation.  A good winter tent will be able to handle it, but just be aware.  Too much and you start getting your clothes, boots, sleeping bag damp.  Damp is dangerous.

Instead of cotton, I have taken typical toilet paper and smeared vasolline on it, then rolled it up.  Easier to work with as you can touch it, store it, etc cleanly - all the messy stuff is rolled up inside.

Melting snow for water is much harder than it sounds.  Fill a big pot with snow and melt it - and you get a cup of water if you are lucky...  You can use those pocket warmers or the tape on toe warmers to keep your water bottles warm during the night as well.

And I always pop a few tylenol PM or advil PM before bed or else I won't sleep now days...


 


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