youth Muzzy and Length of pull

[kerrdog]

My 9 year old son is ready for a muzzleloader.
I checked out the Knight Littlehorn and the length of pull is 12.5 with a 22 inch barrel. It's tempting, except I never liked the action of the bighorn.

The Knight Ultralight is 13.5 Length of pull with a 24 inch barrel.  Is there a big difference in a one inch length of pull for a little dude?  I know the ultralight is pretty spendy for a first muzzy (cost more than mine ), but it would be one he could always hunt with, instead of using it for a few years then storing for sentimental value.

So is Length of pull the distance from the butt-pad to the trigger? 

[bare.hunter]

good topic Iam looking for one for my 10 yr old.

[Lefty315]

Just a thought, if could tolerate the bighorn/littlehorn/wolverine action.   Knight has brought back the Wolverine, essentially a liittlehorn action with an adult length stock.  Buy one and then order a littlehorn stock or buy a littlehorn and keep your eyes open for a bighorn stock, say when someone puts a thumb hole on and wants to get some money back.

I picked up an older youth model wolverine for my kids(same dimensions as the littlehorn) and it's really made a difference in how well they can shoot it.   I think it's also a confidence builder when they can actually handle the gun without struggling because it's too big.

[Sabotloader]

My 9 year old son is ready for a muzzleloader.
I checked out the Knight Littlehorn and the length of pull is 12.5 with a 22 inch barrel. It's tempting, except I never liked the action of the bighorn.

The Knight Ultralight is 13.5 Length of pull with a 24 inch barrel.  Is there a big difference in a one inch length of pull for a little dude?  I know the ultralight is pretty spendy for a first muzzy (cost more than mine ), but it would be one he could always hunt with, instead of using it for a few years then storing for sentimental value.

So is Length of pull the distance from the butt-pad to the trigger?

The LOP is from the front of the trigger to the back of the recoil pad...

Measure your sons arm bent at 90* angle - measure from the inside of the elbow to the bent trigger finger.  This will give you kinda of an ideal what his LOP could/should be.

Another thing with the ULite which would be a great life time rifle - you could remove the 1" recoil pad and install a 1/2"-5/8" Limbsaver pad and reduce to the LOP to 12"

Limbsaver Low-Profile

http://www.limbsaver.com/firearms/recoil.php#grind

[kerrdog]

Thanks you guys.  I'm gonna check the cost of the wolverine plus a little horn stock verses the cost of the Ultralight and butt pad.

His arm measures about 10.5 inches, but he's growing fast.

Thanks again.

[Sabotloader]

You might be getter off going with the Wolverine... Then cut the stock to fit him - save the piece you cut off and you could install it back in a couple of years with pins and glue.  By the time he grows out of the Wolverine he will be ready for a modern rifle anyway...

[kerrdog]

Just a thought, if could tolerate the bighorn/littlehorn/wolverine action.   Knight has brought back the Wolverine, essentially a liittlehorn action with an adult length stock.  Buy one and then order a littlehorn stock or buy a littlehorn and keep your eyes open for a bighorn stock, say when someone puts a thumb hole on and wants to get some money back.

I picked up an older youth model wolverine for my kids(same dimensions as the littlehorn) and it's really made a difference in how well they can shoot it.   I think it's also a confidence builder when they can actually handle the gun without struggling because it's too big.

So is the Wolverine, Little Horn, and Bighorns all fit into a bighorn stock?  Shoot, I've got an extra Disc Extreme Stock (cause I bought the thumbhole) and wonder if that would work on a little horn action?

[Sabotloader]

Just a thought, if could tolerate the bighorn/littlehorn/wolverine action.   Knight has brought back the Wolverine, essentially a liittlehorn action with an adult length stock.  Buy one and then order a littlehorn stock or buy a littlehorn and keep your eyes open for a bighorn stock, say when someone puts a thumb hole on and wants to get some money back.

I picked up an older youth model wolverine for my kids(same dimensions as the littlehorn) and it's really made a difference in how well they can shoot it.   I think it's also a confidence builder when they can actually handle the gun without struggling because it's too big.

So is the Wolverine, Little Horn, and Bighorns all fit into a bighorn stock?  Shoot, I've got an extra Disc Extreme Stock (cause I bought the thumbhole) and wonder if that would work on a little horn action?

Yes, it will but you will have the bolt cut out.. but still the Wolverine will drop right in...

You can see the swap in this photo..

[kerrdog]

Well that sorta settle's it then. 

[kerrdog]

Thanks for the input everyone; it really helped. Got a knight Littlehorn with camo stock today for $309 at Sportsmans!   It's actually really nice.  My little dude is gonna be jazzed!

[Lefty315]

Sportsmanship Warehouse had them for 309?

[kerrdog]

The one in Clackamas did.   it's pretty nice.

So you guys were so helpful, I'm gonna ask another question.  What do you think would be the best powder charge to get my little guy going on the range?  I was thinking 60 grains?  

[Sabotloader]

The one in Clackamas did.   it's pretty nice.

So you guys were so helpful, I'm gonna ask another question.  What do you think would be the best powder charge to get my little guy going on the range?  I was thinking 60 grains?

60 grains of which powder and with which bullet?  But ya, 60 would really be a good place to start.... Maybe a good round for him might be the 40x200 Hornady XTP in a blue MMP 40x50 sabot. That little bullet is really a decent deer bullet if it is not over shot.  Actually Noslers 40x200 would be outstanding if you can find some.  But they only come in a big box -250 ea.... But if you were to get a box and want to I would split the box with you.  Probably would have to order them online... I really like shooting them for target and ground squirrels - and again the would work very well on deer.




And you know the Bloodline 40x185 would be very good but at that reduced charge I would not recommend them...

[Lefty315]

Hornady makes a .40 cal SST in 200 grain for Thompson in a50 cal sabot.  (They only sell it in a 45 cal sabot in Hornady packaging).   My daughter used that bullet over 65 grains of 777 with a CCI #11 mag to take a good sized Mule deer.    She shot a youth model Wolverine, which is dimensionally the same as the Littlehorn.   The load was very accurate and dropped the deer where it stood.

[kerrdog]

This Littlehorn is pretty nice.  I've got a question about the action.  after it's cocked and capped, can you de-cock it with the cap still in, or will that create a dangerous situation?  I'd like to have him carry it capped but uncocked.

[Sabotloader]

This Littlehorn is pretty nice.  I've got a question about the action.  after it's cocked and capped, can you de-cock it with the cap still in, or will that create a dangerous situation?  I'd like to have him carry it capped but uncocked.

It could be but... if the back of the plunger was hit hard enough it would set the rifle off.  One thing you can do is cap it leave the plunger back and screw the secondary safety in.  To shoot you would have to un-screw the secondary safety to the fire position.

With the secondary safety in the rifle is more safe than with just the trigger safety.

 

[kerrdog]

Thanks Sabotloader,

Now I have to learn how that action comes apart for cleaning.  We gonna hit the range ASAP.

[Sabotloader]

Thanks Sabotloader,

Now I have to learn how that action comes apart for cleaning.  We gonna hit the range ASAP.

Pretty easy, Just turn the knurled knob at the back of the and pull the hammer assembly out of the rifle....