PETITION TO REMOVE WDFW DIRECTOR ANDERSON, CHIEF CROWN & DEPUTY CHIEF CENCI

[stevemiller]

I maybe wrong but I think you posted in the wrong thread accidentally.      

[csaaphill]

I maybe wrong but I think you posted in the wrong thread accidentally.      

no don't think so unless this petition is way old then ya maybe. but when I clicked the link I read what the petition said and was wanting some clarification on what some of the langauge meant.
I did sign it though.

[stevemiller]

Oh ok. Sorry

[csaaphill]

Oh ok. Sorry

the reaso I ask is because I see wardens asking for drivers license now and never had that before and then taking my/our guns while doing their check don't like that either so if this petition addresses that then ya im all for it.

[returnofsid]

Oh ok. Sorry

the reaso I ask is because I see wardens asking for drivers license now and never had that before and then taking my/our guns while doing their check don't like that either so if this petition addresses that then ya im all for it.

The title of this thread should be pretty self explanatory, in explaining the purpose of the petition.  It has nothing to do with anything you've just posted.

[ucwarden]

An article in the Seattle Times (Lawsuit reflects years of bad blood between state,fishing family)Where the 9th circuit has reopened a lawsuit against them.Anything going on with this still?

I believe what you are referring to is a lawsuit, filed by a commercial fisherman, against Deputy Chief Cenci (and a few others); http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2024518462_wildlifelawsuit1xml.html

Basically the 9th circuit court of appeals stated WDFW Deputy Chief Cenci violated the civil liberties of the fisherman by conducting an unlawful stop.  The court's decision means that the lawsuit can go forward, and also means that Cenci has no protection of immunity. 

I don't know the status of this, but assume the fisherman will certainly go full-steam ahead in suing Cenci.

[ucwarden]

I noticed it said loss of site on protecting wildlife can you specify what that means and signed!
My opinion would mean to me becoming more about enforcing civilian law rather than game law?
and more and more centralised into enforcing unconstitutinal gun laws would this be a fair assumption?

I am not sure what you mean by "loss of site on protecting wildlife".   What the petition says (I wrote it) is:  "THROUGH MISMANAGEMENT; DIRECTOR ANDERSON HAS ALLOWED WDFW ENFORCEMENT TO RUN OUT OF CONTROL. SENIOR OFFICERS ARE BEING FORCED OUT, PROMOTIONS AND DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS ARE UNFAIR
TOP-HEAVY MANAGEMENT IN ENFORCEMENT- NEW ADMINISTRATIVE POSITIONS ARE TAKING AWAY FROM FIELD OFFICER POSITIONS.  CRONYISM PROTECTS THE FAVORED, WHILE PUNISHING THOSE NOT IN FAVOR
ENFORCEMENT HAS LOST FOCUS, AND NO LONGER PRIORITIZES WILDLIFE PROTECTION AS IT WAS IN THE PAST"

Maybe you are referring to my line of "enforcement has lost focus, and no longer prioritizes wildlife protection as it was in the past".  If so, what I mean is that WDFW spends way more time and effort on activities other than catching wildlife poachers, such as; shellfish (now seems to be the most important issue), marijuana grows, and other crimes. 
 

[stevemiller]

Yes thats what i got out of the article as well.At least he is getting something for some of his wrong doings.Reading back on that issue it seems clear he had a vendetta with the family and was indeed using his authority to unlawfully persecute them when he loses that fight they should continue to push him to resign using the facts of that case and the people that are aware of them should be sending letters to the state about it.Keep making the noise people are listening and since this was in the the Seattle Times a lot of people will know about it now.

[ucwarden]

Oh ok. Sorry

the reaso I ask is because I see wardens asking for drivers license now and never had that before and then taking my/our guns while doing their check don't like that either so if this petition addresses that then ya im all for it.

Checking driver's license, while checking hunters and fishermen, is game wardening 101.  Since hunting and fishing licenses do not have a photo of the license holder on them, and because people often borrow the licenses of others, officers need to verify that the person who presents the license is in-fact the person listed on the license. 
Temporarily holding a person's firearm, while checking them, is just plain common sense.  It would be pretty stupid to allow someone to hold their firearm in their hands, while an officer is determining if their behavior is legal or not (or if they have warrants for their arrest). 
So I have to disagree with your position on these two issues.

[ucwarden]

Yes thats what i got out of the article as well.At least he is getting something for some of his wrong doings.Reading back on that issue it seems clear he had a vendetta with the family and was indeed using his authority to unlawfully persecute them when he loses that fight they should continue to push him to resign using the facts of that case and the people that are aware of them should be sending letters to the state about it.Keep making the noise people are listening and since this was in the the Seattle Times a lot of people will know about it now.

I hold almost no hope that the right thing will ever be done.  The WDFW admin seems to be totally bulletproof.  The commission is either totally disconnected, or condones their behaviors.

[stevemiller]

You might be right I dont know but if the 9th circuit feels they violated a person civil rights more than once they might feel they are more of a liability then they are worth to the state.

[csaaphill]

ENFORCEMENT HAS LOST FOCUS, AND NO LONGER PRIORITIZES WILDLIFE PROTECTION AS IT WAS IN THE PASTthis is what I am talkig about so no it's right on target

[csaaphill]

Oh ok. Sorry

the reaso I ask is because I see wardens asking for drivers license now and never had that before and then taking my/our guns while doing their check don't like that either so if this petition addresses that then ya im all for it.

Checking driver's license, while checking hunters and fishermen, is game wardening 101.  Since hunting and fishing licenses do not have a photo of the license holder on them, and because people often borrow the licenses of others, officers need to verify that the person who presents the license is in-fact the person listed on the license. 
Temporarily holding a person's firearm, while checking them, is just plain common sense.  It would be pretty stupid to allow someone to hold their firearm in their hands, while an officer is determining if their behavior is legal or not (or if they have warrants for their arrest). 
So I have to disagree with your position on these two issues.

not holding but taking to their own rig is what I was referencing to and I've never had it happen before so what makes it common sense now?
been checked many times and never had to show a drivers license or let them disarm me especially when I unloaded it in front of them. Then ca we say no politetly then to being disamred then? especially if it's unloaded and the officer seen the person unload it?
But really never had that happen before all my life if a game warden came up to check us out all we had to show was fishing license and or huntng license.

[blackdog]

I've never had a fish and wildlife officer disarm me ever! I can only remember on WSP trooper holding my carry pistol in the last 25 years of carrying.

[csaaphill]

ya and witout being arrested or beaten think i will respectively say no next time.
but ok ya it's good to say these people who don't want to do thier job as it should be are removed which is why I signed the petition