Article in Yakima herald today. Elk trampling Indian site in kittitas.

[kirkl]

http://www.yakimaherald.com/home/2010947-8/lawsuit-aims-to-make-state-stop-elk-damage

[Grizzly95]

The elk are seeking revenge!

[northwesthunter84]

Holy crap, wow.  Ok somebody help this make sense to me.  People buy a home/ranch in the country and don't expect to have to share land with wildlife.  I understand that she draws income from cattle grazing.  Then she should put up a fence.  WDFW is not responsible for this kind of stuff.  The elk were here long before that homestead.  I find it weird because I was raised to charish and respect the wildlife.  Oh and people shouldn't plant tasty food that animals like.  As far as the Native Heritage site it too should be blocked off.  If they are so worried about it the tribes should put up a fence.

[bowhunterforever]

Holy crap, wow.  Ok somebody help this make sense to me.  People buy a home/ranch in the country and don't expect to have to share land with wildlife.  I understand that she draws income from cattle grazing.  Then she should put up a fence.  WDFW is not responsible for this kind of stuff.  The elk were here long before that homestead.  I find it weird because I was raised to charish and respect the wildlife.  Oh and people shouldn't plant tasty food that animals like.  As far as the Native Heritage site it too should be blocked off.  If they are so worried about it the tribes should put up a fence.

[RELV]

Thse elk were not there long before the homestead.  They were introduced in the twenties by the state.  I think of them as an invasive species that need to be harvested/killed/butchered/eaten (whichever term is in vogue now).

Being a landowner in elk country with a large herd, I am sympathetic.  My fences get torn down, I can't grow corn.  I didn't mind it when I could hunt the elk, but since the state changed the GMU boundaries I need a draw permit to hunt my land.  Changed my attitude about the elk trampling my stuff.

[JJB11B]

Build a fence

[dreamunelk]

Elk were part of the landscape prior to European arrival.  Market hunting and homesteaders who needed the meat and viewed them as competition for resources wiped them out.   Elk were then reintroduced. 

[northwesthunter84]

There have been elk on this land mass for thousands of years.  They were reintroduced because settlers who didn't respect the animals/market hunted, killed most if not all of them along with many other game species throughout the US.  I understand that they affect farmers land and lively hood.  I get that I truely do.  I come from a farming background.  The only issue that should involve the WDFW is to allow less stringent regulations for hunting in the area.  Landowners should allow hunting on private land (with specific permissions), otherwise you create what people back east like to call a haven.  When the pressure is high, weather is bad or best feed is available these places are the first place animals go.  Try decoys or human hair.  I have had it work in the past.

[bowguy]

I think the state should not have dropped the lawsuit they broke the rules period. We all know if it would have been any of us that you just kissed your hunting rights goodbye and hello jail time. She bought the property knowing that elk were there and that that is their winter range. I completely agree with the game department on this open it up to hunters instead of allowing land owners to charge for these hunts. If she wants them off the property then she should pay to have done not the state. Here is an idea how about the wdfw closes down the free range cattle in the colockum because of what they destroy. I've hunted that unit for over 20 years and I've seen more damage by cattle in that gmu than all the wild game in there put together. Sorry for the rant guys but it just makes me mad with people moving out in the country knowing that there is wildlife on the property and then turning around and complaining about them.

[northwesthunter84]

no need to apologize bowguy, and I agree about the cattle thing. 

[buckcanyonlodge]

So the elk trample the "Indian site" but the cattle don't?? Seems she (the 72 yr. old landowner) would be in violation of disturbing an "Indian site" by leasing the land to cattle grazing where the "Indian site" is located.

[headshot5]

Build a fence.

Yeah that wouldn't be cost prohibitive...  1100 acres, that is only a 27,000 or so foot fence (permiter fence).  At 8 feet hight to keep elk, out I'm sure it would be extremely cheap for a 72 year old woman to afford...  

[boneaddict]

Begs the question....what came first the indian or the elk.   Pick the elk and its an obvious answer.  Since we all know the answer that the whiteman brought the elk here, then the WDFW should take care of this lady, but the Yakamas shouldn't be able to harvest elk as part of their treaty, since they really should have no ceremonial right to elk.   

[time2hunt]

The true be told all she want was the master hunters to check in on a  daily basis so she knew who was in her property and the game dept. Told that wasn't required!! She was tired of people driving in and not checking with her.

[returnofsid]

Yakima vs. Yakama...which is it?  The article seems to use both forms of spelling...lack of spelling ability or is there actually difference in spelling, between the name of the town and the name of the tribe?

[TopOfTheFoodChain]

So the elk trample the "Indian site" but the cattle don't?? Seems she (the 72 yr. old landowner) would be in violation of disturbing an "Indian site" by leasing the land to cattle grazing where the "Indian site" is located.

 

[doyourtime89]

tag

[Jonathan_S]

   tough to read









 

[boneaddict]

by the way, if she opened her land to shed hunters or say, Ellensburg blue rockhounds like my daughter, then I bet the elk wouldn't be bothering her anymore. 

[buckcanyonlodge]

by the way, if she opened her land to shed hunters or say, Ellensburg blue rockhounds like my daughter, then I bet the elk wouldn't be bothering her anymore.

I'm with you there.. But they ( the yakIma Indians ) would say she could possibly trample their site and maybe find one of these..  see pic (it's an Ellensburg Blue)

[vandeman17]

This article reminded me of this couple back when I was growing up that bought a house DIRECTLY next to an elementary school and it's huge back play area. There was a little tee ball sized field that was there when they bought and they complained that the kids were too loud when they were using this field during recess and such. They actually won the battle and the school district had to remove the little field we played kickball on during recess. Some people just amaze me and I can add this lady to the list. Sounds like she wants to have her cake and eat it too. My question is how big is this so called "ceremonial site? It would cost a boat load to fence her entire property but if the ceremonial site is only a small portion then why not fence that in to keep ALL critters out. 

[boneaddict]

by the way, if she opened her land to shed hunters or say, Ellensburg blue rockhounds like my daughter, then I bet the elk wouldn't be bothering her anymore.

I'm with you there.. But they ( the yakIma Indians ) would say she could possibly trample their site and maybe find one of these..  see pic (it's an Ellensburg Blue)

    THat is insane.    That's like the holy grail of all arrowheads I have ever seen.       
That's just cool.   First of all, I wouldn't even try knapping a piece of blue.   

[buckcanyonlodge]

by the way, if she opened her land to shed hunters or say, Ellensburg blue rockhounds like my daughter, then I bet the elk wouldn't be bothering her anymore.

I'm with you there.. But they ( the yakIma Indians ) would say she could possibly trample their site and maybe find one of these..  see pic (it's an Ellensburg Blue)

    THat is insane.    That's like the holy grail of all arrowheads I have ever seen.       
That's just cool.   First of all, I wouldn't even try knapping a piece of blue.   

Yea, that is SO cool. I want one real bad. I checked with the rock club up here is Colville and am going to talk to one of the guys that does knapping to see if he can do one for me. I've got a couple pieces that might work.

[TrkyBob53]

Yakima vs. Yakama...which is it?  The article seems to use both forms of spelling...lack of spelling ability or is there actually difference in spelling, between the name of the town and the name of the tribe?

  The tribe is Yakama, and the town is Yakima. 

[buckcanyonlodge]

Yakima vs. Yakama...which is it?  The article seems to use both forms of spelling...lack of spelling ability or is there actually difference in spelling, between the name of the town and the name of the tribe?

  The tribe is Yakama, and the town is Yakima.

Born and raised in Yakima and for all my life it was Yakima tribe. Just changed it a few years ago to yakAma. Why?? Can't teach this old dog new tricks.

[KopperBuck]

Yakima vs. Yakama...which is it?  The article seems to use both forms of spelling...lack of spelling ability or is there actually difference in spelling, between the name of the town and the name of the tribe?

  The tribe is Yakama, and the town is Yakima.

Born and raised in Yakima and for all my life it was Yakima tribe. Just changed it a few years ago to yakAma. Why?? Can't teach this old dog new tricks.

From what I understand it's strictly about pronunciation, nothing more.

[kirkl]

It seems to me they changed it when they bought the Yakima sun kings bball team.

[boneaddict]

Resolution T-053-94



This resolution clarifies the spelling of "Yakama" opposed to "Yakima." The language is made public through the Yakama Nation Museum and Cultural Center website, courtesy of the Yakama Nation Museum:

"NOTE: Resolution T-053-94 has recognized the new spelling of the word 'YAKAMA.' "Whereas, for many years the symbolic spelling of our nation has been 'YAKIMA' with all of our documents, resolutions, letterheads, and nation's flag, etc.", and "whereas, in accordance with our Treaty negotiations, the confederacy of the 14 original tribes and bands shall be know as Confederated Tribes and Band of the Yakama Indian Nation."



Read more: http://www.ehow.com/list_6926999_bylaws-yakama-nation.html#ixzz2x0Fr1xQc

[jackmaster]

Begs the question....what came first the indian or the elk.   Pick the elk and its an obvious answer.  Since we all know the answer that the whiteman brought the elk here, then the WDFW should take care of this lady, but the Yakamas shouldn't be able to harvest elk as part of their treaty, since they really should have no ceremonial right to elk.   

BINGO......

[MR5x5]

The true be told all she want was the master hunters to check in on a  daily basis so she knew who was in her property and the game dept. Told that wasn't required!! She was tired of people driving in and not checking with her.

If this is true, then this all could have been very easily, reasonably managed.
Did I just use "easily and reasonably managed" in a sentence directed to WDFW? 
Sorry, my apologies.

[dreamingbig]

What the Indians aren't shooting them? Must not have horns.


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[Sitka_Blacktail]

This article points out the problem of the state trying to manage for more animals in this day and age. As the population in Washington grows, there will only be more conflicts between private property owners and game animals and more calls to limit the number of animals to reduce that conflict. And farmers will be at the head of the list complaining.

[Moose Master]

Balderdash!!!!!!!!!!! Can't tell me that the elk just are now showing up.  It takes cooperation with all parties to find a solution. A Fence around the site's and spring.  B  Allow hunter's in the area during the season.  C. Shed hunters in the spring.  D.  Her cattle are doing just as much damage and how much does she pay for any leased land.  E. Her complaint's are about profit and loss, rancher's and farmers are always looking for a handout.  F. Keep the attorneys out of this.  G. If you don't like wildlife on your property move to the city.    ARGGGGGG. 

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

I believe the lawsuit was against the state from the Indians.  Not the lady.   
But that's even bigger of a joke.

[go4itlab]

What a joke, I hope they a get nothing in return and fined for illegal harvest of game. Force them to keep her form leasing the land to cattle which do as much if not more damage