The state is trying to mess with another fishery, just say NO.

[Brad Harshman]

This is hilarious!  If the rec. smelt fishing was really popular and impacted by say, I don't know...commercial fishing, most every member here would be yelling shut down the commercial guys.   Here's a chance that the state can preserve a rebounding fishing before it tanks and before there's a huge public out-cry and We're complaining still.  I'm beginning to think there is a hunt-wa mentality that the state can't make the right decision.  Also studies are expensive, why do one in the first place?  The closure only affects seven boats and I bet smelt is not their cash cow. 

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[Bullkllr]

DONE! 

Where is the research to even consider Option 2 or 3?   

Well, the argument could be made that most commercial fisheries (ie fish populations) have crashed before data was available for managers to implement an "option 2 or 3" type of approach. Technology and demand normally outreach supply and management. That is why we have so many stocks depleted to critical levels before anything gets done about it.

However, Puget Sound-wide commercial catch and catch rates indicate relatively high harvest over the last several years. During that time, commercial fishing has been concentrated in marine areas where recreational smelt fishing also is popular.

That means in no way the population is doing well; likely, effort has increased and it's sending up red flags to those who attempt to manage our fisheries here in this wonderful state.


I'm not saying I know exactly what is going on with the smelt in Puget Sound, but if it's like most of our stocks, they're probably in trouble for a slew of reasons. The feel-good story in the article may not be telling us enough to base a valid opinion on this situation, either.

[ballpark]

Where in any report does WDFW state that smelt #'s are in trouble.     There seems to be a lot of "I heard" and "probably".  Let's deal in facts when making decisions on fish and game.

We were told at this meeting that the catch in the 1970′s was 50 to 60,000 lbs a year (This was the target they were proposing to strive for with the change in regulations. Same catch as the 70′s) and that it had increased to around 100,000 lbs in the 1990′s.

"I recently received the smelt landings records from Fish and Game. These records go back to 1974. These are some of the same records that Craig Burley would use to come up with his catch numbers for the 70′s and the 90′s. The amount of distortion between the numbers that I have in front of me at this  time ( landing records ), and what we were told at the meeting is truly amazing. I don’t know which is worse, the possibility that we were told deliberate falsehoods, or that someone with the position of authority to propose policy and bring it a meeting like this could bungle his homework so badly. Something really smells here.
The records in front of me show that In the 70′s there was around 21 active fishermen. The average yearly Washington catch for smelt was around 75 to 80,000 lbs. (compare to 79,800 lbs in 2013). The yearly catch averaged down until there were 10 fishermen that caught 17,000 lbs in 1990. I remember 1990 very well. There were lots of fish, but the old men who would catch them had mostly died off and those that were left didn’t put much effort into it. I started in the early 1990′s.
From 1991 the average yearly catch went up until 2000. The average yearly catch was around 140,000 lbs during this time  (1991 – 2001). From 2001 to 2013 the average yearly catch went down to around 91,000 lbs with about 6 active fishermen and has been relatively stable for the last 13 years. If anyone is interested I would be happy to forward the records that I have. Smelt seining has not really changed since the 1940′s when outboard motors became more available. The nets are the same length. The mesh size is the same. The net is still mostly pulled by hand. There has not been any big change in the technology. Plastic corks instead of wooden ones. Nylon lines instead of cotton or manilla.  We are no more efficient. If 21 fishermen caught  80,000 lbs of smelt in the 1970′s and 7 caught 79,800 in 2013 one could make an argument that there are more fish in 2013 than in the 70′s. This whole Regulation thing is not about saving endangered smelt stocks."

[Colville]

I don't know diddle about smelt except I'm not eating them.

However, in the world of politics, and let's not pretend WDFW isn't a political entity as well as scientific one, there are two ways things get done.

The first is there's an obvious and unambiguous problem; like bad traffic, crime in an area, litter,  etc.  And then all parties argue about the best means to address that problem with all kinds of interests taking a different angle.

The second is that there's a person(s)/business/party who want something and they have a solution.  They then set about defining a problem that will produce enough cover to allow them to change things to get what they want.  They are a solution in search of a problem.

WDFW will tell you that part of their task is "managing conflicts".  However the solution to private property conflict is charging trespass, to garbage is charging for litter, to too little space for both commercial and recreational is staggering use times and locations

My bias is that the WDFW should exist to provide opportunity for business and recreation and that limiting the use of either group should be based on carrying capacity of the species.  Home owners not wanting to see seiners in the ocean is hardly a conflict.  Unless you recognize that people who own waterfront on the sound make a worthy and capable squeaky wheel.

My suspicion goes way up when we go from harvest to curtail in the same report waterfront home owners are complaining and no damning biological basis is offered. ymmv

[Bullkllr]

http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/regulations/smelt/

There may be no hard data, but if smelt populations are healthy they would represent a rare exception to all of the other crashed/crashing fish populations in Puget Sound. Better to err on the conservative side, maybe

About the only resident fish species in the Sound that seems to be doing really well are dogfish- is it a coincidence the commercial fishery on them mostly dried up decades ago?

It'll be interesting to see where this goes.

[magnanimous_j]

It seems suspicious that the agency responsible for monitoring fishery levels has no data. It also seems suspicious that they are worried about such a small commercial fleet.

If I had to guess, someone with some waterfront property has a nephew in the WDFW.

[4fletch]

They should shutdown the anchovies also

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I know if the state would of shut down the commercial herring fishery in Friday Harbour in time there would still be herring there. Horse herring by the millions used to spawn every spring there with salmon following. It's barren of fish now

[Brad Harshman]

Yep!

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[Bullkllr]

I know if the state would of shut down the commercial herring fishery in Friday Harbour in time there would still be herring there. Horse herring by the millions used to spawn every spring there with salmon following. It's barren of fish now

You could replace Friday Harbour with the entire Puget Sound. Herring is pretty scarce.

[floatinghat]

I know if the state would of shut down the commercial herring fishery in Friday Harbour in time there would still be herring there. Horse herring by the millions used to spawn every spring there with salmon following. It's barren of fish now

Agree on all these, little fish feed the big fish and help them grow stronger and larger.