Chelan County juror unlawfully removed from court house

[wafisherman]

Unless I had a secure gun safe in my car, there is no way I'd want to leave it there 'locked up'.  Stuff is stolen out of cars all the time.  Why would I risk that when the court is required to provide a lock box for you?

[turkeyfeather]

It's all a matter of perspective. Just cause you can doesn't mean you should. Some of you seem to have missed the part where I put blame on the officers for not knowing the laws they are paid to know. But I we are all legal gun owners (insert chest pounding here) and it is our right to make ourselves look like fools. Cause that's what this guy looks like to the anti-gun crowd. And in case you all forgot.....they out number us by a very large margin. Again, sometimes doing what "you" think is right is actually wrong and counter productive.

[turkeyfeather]

Someone explain to me what good this guy did by doing this. 

[Badhabit]

LEO in the video was being a complete tool and should get some days off unpaid IMO. He was challenged by the guy and then when he can't control the conversation he resorts to name calling. There is no excuse for that period. If he got so rattled by this encounter that he lost his professionalism he should never carry a weapon. That's how I see it.

[hunterrcc]

Someone explain to me what good this guy did by doing this. 

He showed how uneducated our officers are and how they like to push that badge around.  I would have stood my ground and not been pushed out the door is all I have to say...  That *censored* needs to be fired.  It is his job to service the public and his attitude showed why he should not have the badge.  I enjoy my freedom and it did come free and we better start standing up and educating people about the laws.   He did nothing wrong here he just showed them that they were wrong and not following the law.  They should have been asking what rcw and then writing it down and checking to see if he was correct and if not they should have showed him which RCW stated he should put it in the car.  They were your typical attitude from LEO.  Not all but too many these days.

[elkinrutdrivemenuts]

Yeah pick your battles, he went there to start something.  Just listen to the way he talks to the officers, no respect whatsoever, condescending, and acting like he is in a debate on Fox News.  When has preaching laws to a cop ever gotten anyone anywhere, save it for the court room.

So he went in there and asked to check his gun in exactly how the law states and he was there to start something? And if (big if seems he followed the law to a letter) he didn't show much respect or was condescending, God forgive! Why should he?  He was the one trying to follow the law, what respect is due to those that don't and in the process try to turn the guy that is into a villain? The brave folks that founded this country did because the place they came from treated people like that. But you seem to be ok with that and say what he should have done because it has no effect on your life today. Tomorrow it might, you may be innocent and completely in the right and have and issue where people go above the law and you find yourself in a mess. Do you want us to say you should have just bowed out and let them not follow the laws and harm your life? Think about that for a bit before you say others should bow out of their rights because it may be easier at the time.

If he hadn't been acting like little know it all I bet the cops would have figured something out to alleviate the situation.  You immediately go on the attack, the situation breaks down.  And since when does anyone like jury duty that much?!?!?!

[turkeyfeather]

Someone explain to me what good this guy did by doing this. 

He showed how uneducated our officers are and how they like to push that badge around.  I would have stood my ground and not been pushed out the door is all I have to say...  That *censored* needs to be fired.  It is his job to service the public and his attitude showed why he should not have the badge.  I enjoy my freedom and it did come free and we better start standing up and educating people about the laws.   He did nothing wrong here he just showed them that they were wrong and not following the law.  They should have been asking what rcw and then writing it down and checking to see if he was correct and if not they should have showed him which RCW stated he should put it in the car.  They were your typical attitude from LEO.  Not all but too many these days.

Again I ask though what did he accomplish. We already know cops either don't know or don't care about the laws. This isn't news. I'll tell you what hw really accomplished.....he gave more ammo to those who want to take away our guns.

[Special T]

This story is VERY important. It displays that there are SOOOO many laws even the Leo's can't keep up with it. If the Leo's can't keep them straight and its their JOB then how is a Citizen supposed to. This situation also is an example of how when people are "in charge" tend to react poorly when they are corrected about their ignorance.  Being corrected for something you should know and reacting poorly is NOT Leo specific. I have been witness & subject to it many times in business. While it still happens to me in business, I have only made the mistake of correcting a Leo ONCE! I have learned the hard way that it is easier to prove I'm right to a Judge than to the officer i have just showed up...

This man May be arrogant, he MAY have "Instigated" it to some degree. The fact still remains that what he did was legal, and should not have been treated poorly. Perhaps it would have been better to show the video to a judge or a superior than displaying for the world to see... IF nothing had been done then perhaps that step should be taken.

Granted i have only read the article and not seen the video yet.

[hunterrcc]

so since this last post I have called and talked to the court house judge who gave me the same attitude the kid got about the lock box.  They were very pissy about it told me to mind my business and that I don't know what I am talking about and to call the Jail Director the officer have nothing to do with the court house.
  Then I called the Jail director who just gave me attitude when I asked them about the whole thing.  I told them I am a concerned citizen that found at least what I saw on video "which is only one side" very unprofessional no matter what the circumstances are and that I was concerned that your officers don't know what their job title is "public servant" which means they should know the laws and if someone bring it to their attention that they are wrong they should look into it right away and not bully him out the door.   Was told we are looking into it I am hanging up!  Then I asked what you were looking into? They said I am hanging up click!   They are your typical attitude "I am better then you"  SO all you people that don't like your rights keep saying pick your battles while there will be a point when your chosen battle will be long too late to matter!!!!

Call the Director of the jail: 509 667 6462  hit option 7 ask for the county jail director.  Tell them how you feel as a citizen of the State and how their officer treated the public.   

[turkeyfeather]

so since this last post I have called and talked to the court house judge who gave me the same attitude the kid got about the lock box.  They were very pissy about it told me to mind my business and that I don't know what I am talking about and to call the Jail Director the officer have nothing to do with the court house.
  Then I called the Jail director who just gave me attitude when I asked them about the whole thing.  I told them I am a concerned citizen that found at least what I saw on video "which is only one side" very unprofessional no matter what the circumstances are and that I was concerned that your officers don't know what their job title is "public servant" which means they should know the laws and if someone bring it to their attention that they are wrong they should look into it right away and not bully him out the door.   Was told we are looking into it I am hanging up!  Then I asked what you were looking into? They said I am hanging up click!   They are your typical attitude "I am better then you"  SO all you people that don't like your rights keep saying pick your battles while there will be a point when your chosen battle will be long too late to matter!!!!

Call the Director of the jail: 509 667 6462  hit option 7 ask for the county jail director.  Tell them how you feel as a citizen of the State and how their officer treated the public.   

I commend you.     That's how this should have been done in the first place.

[HawkCreek]

I might have missed the thread on it but the same thing just happened in Grant County a week or two ago.

[ghosthunter]

WOW!! I am torn on this though. The kid is right that ignorance is not an excuse.  And this once again clearly shows that our law enforcement truly knows very little about the law, but know more about being bullies. However, that being said this kid clearly did this to instigate a confrontation which I find a little immature and a poor representation of gun owners.

I see that very differently if what I just read is accurate. He seemed like a very good gun owner to me? He understood the laws and his rights within the laws better than most. I find nothing immature about that. And from what I did read he sought out no confrontation at all, it came to him. I guess he could have just walked away and avoid the confrontation like most would. That is exactly how our rights are evaporating right in front of our faces. People from the highest place in government down to law enforcement seem to think they can impose their will on the people now without any regards to the law. And the biggest problem hurting us now is they get away with that behavior more often than not.

Right on .

We went through this in Skagit County. It was a open carry who took them on and won. Also at the Fair Grounds where they had no firearm signs posted.
The Skagit Proscuter made them remove the signs.

They know the law they just do not like it.

[ghosthunter]

The last time I reported for jury duty at the Chelan County courthouse, my little pocket knife was confiscated at check in, and was told that I could get my "weapon" back at the end of the trial from the County Clerk's office.  It didn't seem to matter that I went all through school with a jacknife in my pocket, and never once did it occur to me that I could stab someone with it!  My immediate thought was: "So, I'm trustworthy enough to serve on a jury, but I'm not trustworthy enough to have a tiny jacknife in my pocket!"  I will never report for jury duty again.  They can arrest me and put me in jail, I don't care.... 

Please note that there is no protection under state law that I know of for knives.

Firearms right are specifically protected under are state law and State constitution.

[ghosthunter]

I didn't notice any action on the part of the juror to instigate anything. He showed up for jury duty with a legally carried firearm and requested storage of that firearm. The law is designed specifically for this. How is that instigating anything? This is way different than walking into an IHOP with a bazooka just to prove a point.  I'll be bringing my firearm to the courthouse when I need to go.

He went in there with video camera in hand already knowing they were not prepared to handle the situation. That is in my opinion clearly instigating a confrontation.

He had a cell phone like almost every one else does. He was smart enough to use it when the people that were supposed to enforce the laws were not. That is not instigating a confrontation. That is getting somebody that will not respect the law on record. And a very good thing.

So if I get pulled ever this afternoon for doing five over and the cop informs me he is going to search my car without a valid reason and I refuse, I am clearly instigating a confrontation? And you will say that's different but its not. It is somebody that is in the position to uphold the law, not following the law.

I do believe most people that are in a LEO position are good people, or at least start out that way. In the last decade things have chanced in the culture of LEO's. I understand the reasoning to stretch the truth in a report to help make sure a bad guy gets his due. Unfortunately those small stretches of the truth that used to happen have turned into many in enforcement flat out lying on a regular basis over time. And for the most part there has been nothing to stop these actions. If things continue on this pace unchecked we will all lived in a total policed state before we know it.

Well said Cboom

Many many LEo need more training in regard to this states laws. Open Carriers run into this all the time.
I have a hard time understanding how this gets missed in training.

[ghosthunter]

Unless I had a secure gun safe in my car, there is no way I'd want to leave it there 'locked up'.  Stuff is stolen out of cars all the time.  Why would I risk that when the court is required to provide a lock box for you?

Exactly! But sadly even on a hunting forum many in this state lean real lib. They will say they don't, especially on the issues that have a direct effect on their lives. They are real quick to say others should bow to the man and make excuses for the man when he is legally in the wrong. Everybody claims they want the freedoms our forefathers tried to protect for us. Problem is most only want the freedoms they want, and could care less when freedoms that aren't important to them are taken away. And they don't have the foresight to see theirs is next.

Geez we are holding hand on this one. If you ever see my avTar out and about tap me on the shoulder because I am buying.