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Quote from: t6 on April 20, 2014, 08:00:56 PMBowbuild,Weyco only leaves gates open because of the access to DNR or other State lands. Not because they want to. If Weyco sells out all their permits, they stand to make 2.5 mil. Its just a matter of time before the cost to hunt causes a reduction in hunters in WA. In time there will be a loss of sales in hunting licenses, permits, and even rented campsites or motels. Do you think that Weyco is going to share their profit with WDFW or those businesses that rely on hunters during the usual off season of camper? NO.... Everyone in WA has something to loose. Loss in revenue to WDFW will result in higher licensing fees. Loss in revenue to the camps or motels will result in higher costs during their other seasons. How many of us take our families on vacation in the summer? Even the State will loose money in time. Loss in sales.....loss in sales taxes. Your right on with this ! Everyone loses
Bowbuild,Weyco only leaves gates open because of the access to DNR or other State lands. Not because they want to. If Weyco sells out all their permits, they stand to make 2.5 mil. Its just a matter of time before the cost to hunt causes a reduction in hunters in WA. In time there will be a loss of sales in hunting licenses, permits, and even rented campsites or motels. Do you think that Weyco is going to share their profit with WDFW or those businesses that rely on hunters during the usual off season of camper? NO.... Everyone in WA has something to loose. Loss in revenue to WDFW will result in higher licensing fees. Loss in revenue to the camps or motels will result in higher costs during their other seasons. How many of us take our families on vacation in the summer? Even the State will loose money in time. Loss in sales.....loss in sales taxes.
Quote from: motg9_6 on July 01, 2014, 02:55:21 PMi agree with almost all of your statements except one it being their fault.Quote from: bowbuild on June 30, 2014, 09:29:11 AMQuote from: The Big Game Hunter on June 29, 2014, 04:04:39 PMI just completed a blog post on this very topic. The post is pretty long, but it's a complicated subject, and I think it addresses the issue pretty well. I'd love to hear what you all think about my summary of the problem and my proposed solution. http://thebiggamehuntingblog.com/2014/06/weyerhaeuser-access-permits/"Locking and placing surveillance on all gates will do a great deal to prevent people from slipping onto Weyerhaeuser land without a permit. I know that gates are usually left open on the Vail Tree Farm when logging is actively occurring in an area. From many of the grumblings that I hear, it seems like most of the miscreants causing trouble on the tree farm gain access through open gates for the simple reason that they can and the consequences for doing so are so minimal. Ensuring that the gates are always locked will help deter people dumping garbage and vandalizing trees and equipment by simply making it more difficult and time consuming to do so."This part of your blog is the most significant to me. Weyerhauser leaves gates open year round in a lot of areas.......this equates to easy access for people that have ill intent....is this Weyerhausers fault?? Yes, in a way it is.....would you leave your keys in your car running outside a gas station?? Some may, but you may pay a price for your stupidity....and in my mind that is your own fault.They are punishing hunters for ALL the publics misdeeds. Most hunters I know including myself are rarely in the woods at this time (maybe a scouting trip and, I live right next to a gate) but for the majority we are at work like most people. The bad apples have the run of their property in the off season....close the damn gates!!!! Open them from august 1 through jan 31 shut them the rest of the year, and ensure your logging crews lock gates behind them....this is not rocket science, no eyes in the woods in the off season leads to destruction of property, and we as hunter get to pay for idiots, and Weyerhausers irresponsibility of "leaving the keys in the car."Bowbuildsay someone trespasses on your place, pees on your porch tips over your garbage can and steals something from your house then your are responsible for not preventing them from doing it???how about the criminals get held responsible with punishments for breaking the law that will keep them from doing it again. just my Nowhere do I say that it is their fault things are happening on their land and nowhere do I suggest that criminals shouldn't be prosecuted and held accountable for their actions. In fact, I state exactly the opposite: pursuing legal action against miscreants is a key component of solving with the problems Weyerhaeuser is dealing with. I've quoted my article below, and as you can see, I merely state that locking the gates will make things easier for Weyerhaeuser to police their land and make it more difficult for those inclined to cause trouble.Locking the gates will also prevent most unauthorized motorized access, which will also limit the extent of most banned activities to areas closer to the edges of the tree farms. By reducing the area where the banned activities are most likely to occur, this will help make the land easier to police for existing Weyerhaeuser security. Pursuing legal action against trespassers and vandals may seem like it costs more money than it is worth in the short term. However, if Weyerhaeuser aggressively takes action against those violating the rules, it will not take too long for word to get out and for people to start taking the new rules seriously. After a few people get slapped with fines, or possibly even jail time for serious offences, Weyerhaeuser will very likely see a sharp decline on the number of incidents that they have to deal with as people realize that it is not worth it to mess around on their land.
i agree with almost all of your statements except one it being their fault.Quote from: bowbuild on June 30, 2014, 09:29:11 AMQuote from: The Big Game Hunter on June 29, 2014, 04:04:39 PMI just completed a blog post on this very topic. The post is pretty long, but it's a complicated subject, and I think it addresses the issue pretty well. I'd love to hear what you all think about my summary of the problem and my proposed solution. http://thebiggamehuntingblog.com/2014/06/weyerhaeuser-access-permits/"Locking and placing surveillance on all gates will do a great deal to prevent people from slipping onto Weyerhaeuser land without a permit. I know that gates are usually left open on the Vail Tree Farm when logging is actively occurring in an area. From many of the grumblings that I hear, it seems like most of the miscreants causing trouble on the tree farm gain access through open gates for the simple reason that they can and the consequences for doing so are so minimal. Ensuring that the gates are always locked will help deter people dumping garbage and vandalizing trees and equipment by simply making it more difficult and time consuming to do so."This part of your blog is the most significant to me. Weyerhauser leaves gates open year round in a lot of areas.......this equates to easy access for people that have ill intent....is this Weyerhausers fault?? Yes, in a way it is.....would you leave your keys in your car running outside a gas station?? Some may, but you may pay a price for your stupidity....and in my mind that is your own fault.They are punishing hunters for ALL the publics misdeeds. Most hunters I know including myself are rarely in the woods at this time (maybe a scouting trip and, I live right next to a gate) but for the majority we are at work like most people. The bad apples have the run of their property in the off season....close the damn gates!!!! Open them from august 1 through jan 31 shut them the rest of the year, and ensure your logging crews lock gates behind them....this is not rocket science, no eyes in the woods in the off season leads to destruction of property, and we as hunter get to pay for idiots, and Weyerhausers irresponsibility of "leaving the keys in the car."Bowbuildsay someone trespasses on your place, pees on your porch tips over your garbage can and steals something from your house then your are responsible for not preventing them from doing it???how about the criminals get held responsible with punishments for breaking the law that will keep them from doing it again. just my
Quote from: The Big Game Hunter on June 29, 2014, 04:04:39 PMI just completed a blog post on this very topic. The post is pretty long, but it's a complicated subject, and I think it addresses the issue pretty well. I'd love to hear what you all think about my summary of the problem and my proposed solution. http://thebiggamehuntingblog.com/2014/06/weyerhaeuser-access-permits/"Locking and placing surveillance on all gates will do a great deal to prevent people from slipping onto Weyerhaeuser land without a permit. I know that gates are usually left open on the Vail Tree Farm when logging is actively occurring in an area. From many of the grumblings that I hear, it seems like most of the miscreants causing trouble on the tree farm gain access through open gates for the simple reason that they can and the consequences for doing so are so minimal. Ensuring that the gates are always locked will help deter people dumping garbage and vandalizing trees and equipment by simply making it more difficult and time consuming to do so."This part of your blog is the most significant to me. Weyerhauser leaves gates open year round in a lot of areas.......this equates to easy access for people that have ill intent....is this Weyerhausers fault?? Yes, in a way it is.....would you leave your keys in your car running outside a gas station?? Some may, but you may pay a price for your stupidity....and in my mind that is your own fault.They are punishing hunters for ALL the publics misdeeds. Most hunters I know including myself are rarely in the woods at this time (maybe a scouting trip and, I live right next to a gate) but for the majority we are at work like most people. The bad apples have the run of their property in the off season....close the damn gates!!!! Open them from august 1 through jan 31 shut them the rest of the year, and ensure your logging crews lock gates behind them....this is not rocket science, no eyes in the woods in the off season leads to destruction of property, and we as hunter get to pay for idiots, and Weyerhausers irresponsibility of "leaving the keys in the car."Bowbuild
I just completed a blog post on this very topic. The post is pretty long, but it's a complicated subject, and I think it addresses the issue pretty well. I'd love to hear what you all think about my summary of the problem and my proposed solution. http://thebiggamehuntingblog.com/2014/06/weyerhaeuser-access-permits/
I was not saying you did....that was my opinion on the matter.
