Is the new CVA Northwest addition muzzleloader Legal in the Northwest states?

[bobcat]

"I don't follow how putting electrical tape around the ignition allows the cap to remain visible. Do you?"

There is no requirement that the cap remain visible.

[washelkhunter]

"I don't follow how putting electrical tape around the ignition allows the cap to remain visible. Do you?"

There is no requirement that the cap remain visible.

Im pretty sure that "open to the elements" implies some degree of visibilty.

[baker5150]

"I don't follow how putting electrical tape around the ignition allows the cap to remain visible. Do you?"

There is no requirement that the cap remain visible.

   Ignition is to be wheel lock, matchlock,
flintlock, or percussion using original
style percussion caps that fit on the
nipple and are exposed to the weather.
"Exposed to the weather" means the
percussion cap or the frizzen must be
visible and not capable of being enclosed
by an integral part of the weapon proper.
Primers designed to be used in modern
cartridges are not legal

I guess I'm reading it wrong then!

[Curly]

percussion cap or the frizzen must be visible and not capable of being enclosed by an integral part of the weapon proper.

electrical tape is not "an integral part of the weapon proper".
 

[bobcat]

"I don't follow how putting electrical tape around the ignition allows the cap to remain visible. Do you?"

There is no requirement that the cap remain visible.

Im pretty sure that "open to the elements" implies some degree of visibilty.

Sure it does, but it only has to be open to the elements in order to meet the definition of a muzzleloader that is legal to hunt with. What you do to cover up a legal ignition system while hunting is up to you.

[Bob33]

"I don't follow how putting electrical tape around the ignition allows the cap to remain visible. Do you?"

There is no requirement that the cap remain visible.

Yes, there is.

(a) Ignition is to be wheel lock, matchlock, flintlock, or percussion using original style percussion caps that fit on the nipple and are exposed to the weather. "Exposed to the weather" means the percussion cap or the frizzen must be visible and not capable of being enclosed by an integral part of the weapon proper. Primers designed to be used in modern cartridges are not legal.

[bobcat]

"I don't follow how putting electrical tape around the ignition allows the cap to remain visible. Do you?"

There is no requirement that the cap remain visible.

Yes, there is.

(a) Ignition is to be wheel lock, matchlock, flintlock, or percussion using original style percussion caps that fit on the nipple and are exposed to the weather. "Exposed to the weather" means the percussion cap or the frizzen must be visible and not capable of being enclosed by an integral part of the weapon proper. Primers designed to be used in modern cartridges are not legal.

I don't interpret that to mean you can't cover up the cap with something to keep the water out.

If that were the case a "cows knee" would be illegal as well.

[Bob33]

"...the percussion cap... must be visible..." seems clear to me. I'd rather not try to explain to a judge why it doesn't really mean that.

[bobcat]

The phrase that says it must be visible is simply defining what type of ignition system is legal. It goes on to say it can't be "capable of being enclosed by an integral part of the weapon proper."

I've heard of some guys wrapping their gun in Saran Wrap.    I guess the cap would still be visible.      But it doesn't need to be.

Doesn't matter to me, my muzzleloader is a traditional side lock, and I don't cover the cap with anything.

[rim_runner]

What is the point of this restriction to begin with? Is it just about being traditional?

[muzbuster]

"...the percussion cap or the frizzen must be visible."

I don't follow how putting electrical tape around the ignition allows the cap to remain visible. Do you?
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and not capable of being enclosed by an integral part of the weapon proper

[Bob33]

"...the percussion cap or the frizzen must be visible."

I don't follow how putting electrical tape around the ignition allows the cap to remain visible. Do you?

and not capable of being enclosed by an integral part of the weapon proper
[/quote]
I'm no expert but I would interpret "and" as meaning that both conditions must be met: the cap must be visible, and it must not be capable of being enclosed.

[MarkyMark]

So the tape covering the ignition is something you do when know one important is around and then remove before you get back toward civilization. No point in even talking about it in an open forum. Everyone knows people do it, we just don't talk about it.
Code of the road fellas.

[Sabotloader]

Bob33 has provided the rule... No part of the gun can make the cap not visible or open to the weather. You yourself as the hunter can apply a cover that is not a part of the rifle.  Even the Traditional people whom had a big part in this rule protect their caps and bore in bad weather that is what ML rain gear is designed for.

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I do the same thing with saran wrap

[oneshot12]

 think it has more to do with the use of a shot gun that can be converted  to black powder and the nipple would be all inclosed  .  so they can be sure its not using the 209 primers  or the disk primer systems .