What to do ?

[justyhntr]

My wife and I hiked into a spot last night to hunt and do some calling for coyotes . Monday night I called in 2 coyotes in the same area , a friend got one but missed the other . Anyway I know there are coyotes there . I start a distress call and instantly I have one  200 yards out howling and barking like crazy . I tried calling a bit more with 2 different calls but he just kept howling but not coming in . I decide to back out as to not school him to much more . We get a mile away and he is still howling . I think he may have been the second coyote from Monday and it seemed he was looking for a responce from another coyote . I've tried howling before but have not had any luck here on the west side . In this case do you guys think  howling might have brought him in ?

[RadSav]

I've been seeing some real young pups lately.  You could be close to a den with some late born pups.  In that case howling could work in conjunction with hurt pup sounds.  But generally speaking you want to be closer than 200 yards before you do that.

If it is a den the dog should be in the same location on your next visit.  If possible to get 100 yards closer under cover I'd do that and then howl twice.  Wait a few minutes and then start in with a hurt pup call.  That sequence is killer in June and July!  I would normally say it is too late for that to work closer to September than July, but with what I'm seeing in young dogs locally it just may work

The other option is to switch over to a rodent call.  More than a squeaker, but less than a cottontail.  I like calls that are what I assume would be close to a vole or chipmunk size.  Little tiny short breaths and short call duration too.  If you know someone with a Fox Pro you can get a good idea of what that should sound like from the electronic sequencing.  If close to residential you could also try kitten (house cat) calls.

[RadSav]

Another thing is that I try to avoid calling from the same place twice in a row.  Especially if we tried at a double and missed once already.  Dogs have a pretty good memory.  And that spot will be remembered as an area of danger for a good long while.  A simple move of only 200-250 yards can sometimes make a huge difference.

[justyhntr]

Thanks Rav , I thought I might be pushing it calling from the same area . I have a Foxpro , I don't really like using it so I pretty much just use it for practicing with hand calls . I also use the internet a lot. Family loves that .  I'm pretty new at this but there is just something special for me when I call something in using a hand call . Are you matching the higher pitched sound with an open reed ? Right now I'm using a Burnham Bro. mini howler , Primos Katnip (for fawn bleats ) and a Primos Lil dog (the green body without the tube ) . I going to e-mail R .and R. and see what he can put together for me . 

[RadSav]

Are you matching the higher pitched sound with an open reed ?

Are you asking in regards to the hurt pup or the rodent call?

For me I use an open reed or mouth diaphragm for the hurt pup and a single reed/small wood body closed for the rodent call.  If it gets close I'll switch to my mouth/lips/back of hand for the coaxer.

[justyhntr]

Yes , I was refering to bird sounds . Thanks for the help .

[jasnt]

"howling and barking like crazy"  that's normally a warning howl.  I've had them do it to me in well hunted areas. Most likely the dog that got away. He was telling everybody "danger" beware.  Like said call from a different spot with different sounds and cadence and you may wack that yote before he figures you out.

[sthd system]

This is a common problem for me also.WIth some patience and some glassing you can pattern where its calling from. Generally the coyote has your position located and can see you ,in a perfict world you can see him also. Try moving to the other side of him half mile or so away and try some pup distress.I have yet getting one to come in after this happens but moving behind them and starting over seems to work.(not always) I hunt the wet side mainly ,works on the dry side also.