it just a hunt for meat RIGHT!

[hunterrcc]

Also another reason why I am getting tired of this site.  Just because people see something that they believe is happening, they plaster a pic of the guy up.  How about this for an idea.  Go over and ask the guy about his hunt and congratulate him.  Get the facts before you plaster his rig and pic all over the internet accusing him of something.  Who else is getting sick of this stuff on this site?

100% sure it was two natives.  Hell no I am going to congrats someone that goes out and kills big Bulls in units I have to spend years applying for just to watch him blast away year after year! draw only units!  There is a reason that some units are impossible draw odds for you or I its because the Indians go around killing as many as they want to every year, year after year.   We are told the bull numbers are down! Go figure!  You can sit back on your couch and act like it is not true but ever time I see an Indian wasting away our game I will plaster his ass where I please!  If someone has a problem with it I could care about as much as the Indians do,  and that's very little. 

Ps
My first line about glad he at least eats his elk was in reference to his big belly and that he doesn't miss a meal so I figured he at least eats his elk nothing to do with how much meat was in the truck but I didnt see much in the truck. 

 

[Tbar]

Also another reason why I am getting tired of this site.  Just because people see something that they believe is happening, they plaster a pic of the guy up.  How about this for an idea.  Go over and ask the guy about his hunt and congratulate him.  Get the facts before you plaster his rig and pic all over the internet accusing him of something.  Who else is getting sick of this stuff on this site?

100% sure it was two natives.  Hell no I am going to congrats someone that goes out and kills big Bulls in units I have to spend years applying for just to watch him blast away year after year! draw only units!  There is a reason that some units are impossible draw odds for you or I its because the Indians go around killing as many as they want to every year, year after year.   We are told the bull numbers are down! Go figure!  You can sit back on your couch and act like it is not true but ever time I see an Indian wasting away our game I will plaster his ass where I please!  If someone has a problem with it I could care about as much as the Indians do,  and that's very little. 

Ps
My first line about glad he at least eats his elk was in reference to his big belly and that he doesn't miss a meal so I figured he at least eats his elk nothing to do with how much meat was in the truck but I didnt see much in the truck.

Class and eloquence right here hunterrcc.  I see your well conveyed frustrations and politely bow out of your thread.  Have a great day.

[coachcw]

As far as the mucks go I don't think the white guys with the Indian are at any fault as long as they didn't shoot .I believe the way there laws are wrote it's only illegal for the tribal guy to  be accompanied. kind of weird but whitey was only going for a ride and the Indian was breaking there rules. I know there's one guy down there that they kept busting for this . there prosecutor is a white gal and there game officer is a non muck Indian .  I don't believe they are just slapping them on the hand but maybe there was a plea. Pinetar if you can document with photos the same mucks killing more than one deer or elk you would have a pretty good case . if someone sat over in Robinson and Joe watt and photo'd every rig in and out that would deture them . I have seen quite a drop in local elk numbers over the last five years for sure. I know they have hit it hard since at least 2009. I'm pretty surprised that no one has played cowboys and Indians the last couple years since this is such a hot topic. lets not even ad mud lake into the mix.

[Coastal_native]

I'm pretty surprised that no one has played cowboys and Indians the last couple years since this is such a hot topic.

I'm not surprised.  The tribe may struggle to reconcile it's modern vs. traditional harvest management practices/beliefs...and struggle to reign in its treaty right abusers, but I don't think most people believe that violence or vigilante justice is the rational way to take out their frustrations. 

[haus]

can someone clarify if it's legal for a Yakima tribal hunter to take a non tribal hunter out on there hunt ? I know the mucks must hunt with only tribal members . I know of a recent case where a white family member went out with a person who is 1/2 native American and partook in a hunt . of course the native was shooting . i'm curious of the legality . I'm not linching anyone just want clarification ty.

  Have a few non-tribal "associates" that go hunting with the Mucks, get them through gates that other non-tribals can't etc etc. some rule 

[Pinetar]

I agree coach it is very frustrating when you are up there every day watching what goes down. I was up Robinson when you and rafflemule were a few years ago and that was completely out of control. Talk about disregard to wildlife. I guarantee their ancestors were not like that. The ones that are up there shooting, wounding and killing every day should be ashamed of themselves. Good idea on filming them coming in and out, might work? Hell I'd follow them home and film the selling them to the Bonaparte's (sp?) and likes. But we now know that WSGD doesn't care and would just let them all walk.

I had the entire incident on film last time, shooting, license plates and everything and it did absolutely no good.

What kills me is that most of the ones I see up there are as white as you and me, blue eyes, blonde, red hair. How do you know who's who?? Poachers could go up there right now and drive around in daylight hours and do the same thing, how do you who to turn in anymore. The Yakamas have a diff license plate but the Mucks you can't tell.

Maybe Plat should round up some buddies and go up there and play Indian and Indian. jk I believe he did say once that the Mucks shouldn't be up there because it was their seeded ground.

hunterrc - Chill out! It isn't worth fighting and arguing over. Is it hard to sit up there on the hill building your new house and listening to the high powered rifles go off all day long. lol Sorry, had to throw that in as I know why you are so fired up. Break out your spotting scope and watch the great display of traditional hunting at its best. lmao  And YES that blue Chevy driving off road along side of the elk fence is OK because it is there right. Put in earplugs and keep pulling wires or you won't finish before the snow flies.

[GameHunter1959]

I guess I am lost here. So you see a native with an elk head in his truck, and you are essentially accusing him of wasting the meat?

I get that some natives abuse the resource, but this is a stretch. Your stirring the pot. Better to delete this topic and cut this native a break.

There will be plenty more native abusers, whom deserve an internet lashing soon.

[coachcw]

I guess I am lost here. So you see a native with an elk head in his truck, and you are essentially accusing him of wasting the meat?

I get that some natives abuse the resource, but this is a stretch. Your stirring the pot. Better to delete this topic and cut this native a break.

There will be plenty more native abusers, whom deserve an internet lashing soon.

WOW ! we have as much right shedding light on this as they do harvesting like they Do . I like the Idea of Indians vs. Indians  my sons just lucky (or not ) that he's not half Indian.

[Jellymon]

Didnt read all the responses but ive taken elk, brought the meat home, then went to the taxidermist with only the head in the back of the truck. When I got my cougar the meat was at home and I only had the head/hide in the truck while going to get it sealed. This year the meat from my whitetail is in the freezer and i only had the head in the truck for the taxiderist.

[coachcw]

you guys this whole thing really isn't about a tribal guy killing one elk a year . huntererric blew up because he's tired of seeing it over and over by the same guys . you guys can try and sugar coat it all day and talk about rights but this is about abuse and waste of a resources by a small user group over and over . it not bashing if it truth its enlightening ! 

[coachcw]

Truth hurts sometimes , make the bed and sleep in it.

[Green broke]

Truth hurts sometimes , make the bed and sleep in it.

One truth is that in the Yakima area there is a fragile and declining deer herd that is not being addressed by the state or Yakama nation.  It is however being addressed by Muckleshoot. I would trust their management goals and ability over the states any day of the week and twice in Sunday. 

[Green broke]

As for being disgusted by gut piles and wounded animals, try a general season hunt.  I found 4 two points on one hillside.  The animals are run ragged, archery doesn't always end in quick death/recovery.  Some times hunting isn't the most glamorous regardless of the user group.

[runamuk]

Maybe just stick to the fact that they're taking more than they need, are wasting, or using unethical or illegal hunting practices.

Plus take pictures if you see something that you know you would be cited for.  Document time place vehicles plate numbers.  Collect the information that is needed to show what is really happening and who is behind it.  Ask around there are people who would actually like this information who can actually have an impact.
from this point on what I am saying is not related or directed at coastal's comment at all its just more of the stupid crap Run says. 

Its not the entire tribe its really a small group but they make a huge impact and they get away with it because the right documentation the right evidence has not been collected.  How long did it take to deal with that massive poacher wasnt that guy operating for years and everyone knew yet where was the evidence needed to prove without a doubt the guilt 

innocent until proven guilty so prove the guilt...and i bet these pics are all being collected and the people collecting them wishing there was more information than oh that yak killed deers again.

The YTC books thats good info that shows a trend sweet nice to know that is there.

And some of these guys get off on the attention they get.  So the more you rant and complain the more their egos are pumped up and they keep doing it because it gets to you.