Hangman moose tag...not so good

[idahohuntr]

I had the same experience in North Spokane, fewer and smaller moose this year than I've ever seen in that unit. My hunter hunted 7 days and he hunted with me for 6 days, so 13 days of hunting, the largest bull we saw was about 36ish inches. Killed a meat bull yesterday so he had meat for the freezer. Wolf tracks were seen in the snow when it snowed!

Guess you'd better change your ad then.  "Northeast Washington has produced some record book heads and there are plenty of big bulls to be found so there's no reason for anyone to shoot a small bull."

 

[JimmyHoffa]

I had the same experience in North Spokane, fewer and smaller moose this year than I've ever seen in that unit. My hunter hunted 7 days and he hunted with me for 6 days, so 13 days of hunting, the largest bull we saw was about 36ish inches. Killed a meat bull yesterday so he had meat for the freezer. Wolf tracks were seen in the snow when it snowed!

Guess you'd better change your ad then.  "Northeast Washington has produced some record book heads and there are plenty of big bulls to be found so there's no reason for anyone to shoot a small bull."

Maybe the other units made up for it.  More in NE corner than just North Spokane. 

[emskou]

When did you hunt it? I think the first week of the season was key with the rut. Saw and heard plenty of bulls grunting. My dad got his opening morning and the only other camp up there had there bull by noon on opening day... Sounds like you missed out

[Ridgerunner]

Not a good report, hopefully it was just an off year up there, the year I had the tag it was awesome hunting. 

[NWBREW]

We saw a lot less moose this season in the Threeforks unit as well as a lot less sign. Not sure for the reason...I can only guess. I spent twice as much time up there and only saw 1/4 of the moose I usually do.

[huntnnw]

When did you hunt it? I think the first week of the season was key with the rut. Saw and heard plenty of bulls grunting. My dad got his opening morning and the only other camp up there had there bull by noon on opening day... Sounds like you missed out

Was this a question towards me?  No offense, but myself and most tag holders would of not shot that bull your dad shot on the first day... Last day yup. He saw lots of bulls like that and so did the other hunter. Problem is the quality isn't there. Usually you see the dink bulls that are easy to pass and then there are the Bulls that are on the fence that u think about and then there are the no brainers . He saw one bull in 40+ days that was on the fence and that was it! Usually see lots of decent bulls that was not the case this year. This guy also had access to the mt that nobody could gain he was in the best area of the mt in min from the rig. I live 10 min from the star road gate I spend a ton of time up there and it really sucked! I personally haven't seen a bull over 36" this year!

[bearpaw]

I had the same experience in North Spokane, fewer and smaller moose this year than I've ever seen in that unit. My hunter hunted 7 days and he hunted with me for 6 days, so 13 days of hunting, the largest bull we saw was about 36ish inches. Killed a meat bull yesterday so he had meat for the freezer. Wolf tracks were seen in the snow when it snowed!

Guess you'd better change your ad then.  "Northeast Washington has produced some record book heads and there are plenty of big bulls to be found so there's no reason for anyone to shoot a small bull."

It's always easy to spot the wolf supporters. 

Those who keep up on WA moose know the differences in the units and that hunting varies by area and can change from year to year given many different variables. There are moose areas which appear to be impacted by wolf packs since there are increasing numbers of wolves in almost all the areas that seem to be impacted the most. 

I'm pretty convinced that several units in Idaho are bouncing back due to wolf removal. It's simply too much of a coincidence that game numbers dropped when wolves were increasing and kills were being found on a regular basis, now that wolves are decreasing their kills are not being seen as often and other game numbers are increasing. 

[idahohuntr]

I had the same experience in North Spokane, fewer and smaller moose this year than I've ever seen in that unit. My hunter hunted 7 days and he hunted with me for 6 days, so 13 days of hunting, the largest bull we saw was about 36ish inches. Killed a meat bull yesterday so he had meat for the freezer. Wolf tracks were seen in the snow when it snowed!

Guess you'd better change your ad then.  "Northeast Washington has produced some record book heads and there are plenty of big bulls to be found so there's no reason for anyone to shoot a small bull."

It's always easy to spot the wolf supporters. 

Those who keep up on WA moose know the differences in the units and that hunting varies by area and can change from year to year given many different variables. There are moose areas which appear to be impacted by wolf packs since there are increasing numbers of wolves in almost all the areas that seem to be impacted the most. 

I'm pretty convinced that several units in Idaho are bouncing back due to wolf removal. It's simply too much of a coincidence that game numbers dropped when wolves were increasing and kills were being found on a regular basis, now that wolves are decreasing their kills are not being seen as often and other game numbers are increasing. 

Just because someone points out your contradictory statements does not make them pro-wolf.  Lets look at some similar quotes from your outfitter webpage on deer hunting:

 Washington is a relatively unknown whitetail deer hunting destination and NE Washington is the most productive whitetail deer hunting area in Washington.

Much of Washington's best deer hunting occurs in northeastern corner of the state.

Bearpaw outfitters is located in NE Washington near Colville, which is close to Idaho and British Columbia. The game management units in this area offer Washington’s most productive deer hunting.

You still have the best deer hunting in the entire state of Washington and there are several chunks of washington with no significant wolf activity.  A few guys complain about hunting deer up in NE Wa and blame the wolves...I take it based on quotes from your outfitter page that you would say they are wrong then?  I mean we have a ton of deer where I hunt in Washington...but its not NE Wa...so you guys must be loaded with deer!  But then I get confused because in this thread:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,164342.msg2168537.html#msg2168537   you "challenge" WDFW's assertion that they have not seen a decline in deer and elk in NE Wa due to wolves. ??

Which is it...are you in the most productive/best deer hunting in the state even though you have the greatest concentration of wolves...or do you need to spend a bunch of time revising your outfitter page to describe NE Wa deer hunting as being in decline and not at all what it used to be? Maybe update the moose section as well 

None of this is pro-wolf btw...just curious what you actually believe the situation in NE Wa is...I don't hunt up there so I really have no idea if some of the stuff I read by folks on here about how horrible it may be has any truth to it.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

I had the same experience in North Spokane, fewer and smaller moose this year than I've ever seen in that unit. My hunter hunted 7 days and he hunted with me for 6 days, so 13 days of hunting, the largest bull we saw was about 36ish inches. Killed a meat bull yesterday so he had meat for the freezer. Wolf tracks were seen in the snow when it snowed!

Guess you'd better change your ad then.  "Northeast Washington has produced some record book heads and there are plenty of big bulls to be found so there's no reason for anyone to shoot a small bull."

It's always easy to spot the wolf supporters. 

Those who keep up on WA moose know the differences in the units and that hunting varies by area and can change from year to year given many different variables. There are moose areas which appear to be impacted by wolf packs since there are increasing numbers of wolves in almost all the areas that seem to be impacted the most. 

I'm pretty convinced that several units in Idaho are bouncing back due to wolf removal. It's simply too much of a coincidence that game numbers dropped when wolves were increasing and kills were being found on a regular basis, now that wolves are decreasing their kills are not being seen as often and other game numbers are increasing. 

I wasn't posting about wolves, but about truth in advertising.

But since you brought up wolves, that's an interesting observation you made. In Idaho, which has at least 10 times the wolves Washington does, areas are bouncing back after a few wolves have been taken. But in Washington, with less than 10% of the wolves that Idaho has, areas are getting wiped out of game. The Washington strain must be super wolves.

[grundy53]

Really guys? Go start a new thread. Don't jack this one.

[Bango skank]

Here you go guys(idahohuntr/sitka blacktail)  This forum may be more up your alley.  http://www.everythingwolf.com/forum/

[kentrek]

Really guys? Go start a new thread. Don't jack this one.

 

[bearpaw]

I had the same experience in North Spokane, fewer and smaller moose this year than I've ever seen in that unit. My hunter hunted 7 days and he hunted with me for 6 days, so 13 days of hunting, the largest bull we saw was about 36ish inches. Killed a meat bull yesterday so he had meat for the freezer. Wolf tracks were seen in the snow when it snowed!

Guess you'd better change your ad then.  "Northeast Washington has produced some record book heads and there are plenty of big bulls to be found so there's no reason for anyone to shoot a small bull."

It's always easy to spot the wolf supporters. 

Those who keep up on WA moose know the differences in the units and that hunting varies by area and can change from year to year given many different variables. There are moose areas which appear to be impacted by wolf packs since there are increasing numbers of wolves in almost all the areas that seem to be impacted the most. 

I'm pretty convinced that several units in Idaho are bouncing back due to wolf removal. It's simply too much of a coincidence that game numbers dropped when wolves were increasing and kills were being found on a regular basis, now that wolves are decreasing their kills are not being seen as often and other game numbers are increasing. 

I wasn't posting about wolves, but about truth in advertising.

But since you brought up wolves, that's an interesting observation you made. In Idaho, which has at least 10 times the wolves Washington does, areas are bouncing back after a few wolves have been taken. But in Washington, with less than 10% of the wolves that Idaho has, areas are getting wiped out of game. The Washington strain must be super wolves.

FYI - My advertising is spot on, in recent years WA has produced more record bulls than any other state. It's the wolf supporters trick to speak in generalities to hide the localized impacts of wolves. Since you obviously have not spent time in the areas to know this, several areas in Idaho do appear to have fewer wolves now than many areas in NE WA. Perhaps you will understand this if you consider the number of recent wolf depredations on livestock and recent wolf confrontations and attacks involving people in NE WA.

[bearpaw]

I had the same experience in North Spokane, fewer and smaller moose this year than I've ever seen in that unit. My hunter hunted 7 days and he hunted with me for 6 days, so 13 days of hunting, the largest bull we saw was about 36ish inches. Killed a meat bull yesterday so he had meat for the freezer. Wolf tracks were seen in the snow when it snowed!

Guess you'd better change your ad then.  "Northeast Washington has produced some record book heads and there are plenty of big bulls to be found so there's no reason for anyone to shoot a small bull."

It's always easy to spot the wolf supporters. 

Those who keep up on WA moose know the differences in the units and that hunting varies by area and can change from year to year given many different variables. There are moose areas which appear to be impacted by wolf packs since there are increasing numbers of wolves in almost all the areas that seem to be impacted the most. 

I'm pretty convinced that several units in Idaho are bouncing back due to wolf removal. It's simply too much of a coincidence that game numbers dropped when wolves were increasing and kills were being found on a regular basis, now that wolves are decreasing their kills are not being seen as often and other game numbers are increasing. 

Just because someone points out your contradictory statements does not make them pro-wolf.  Lets look at some similar quotes from your outfitter webpage on deer hunting:

 Washington is a relatively unknown whitetail deer hunting destination and NE Washington is the most productive whitetail deer hunting area in Washington.

Much of Washington's best deer hunting occurs in northeastern corner of the state.

Bearpaw outfitters is located in NE Washington near Colville, which is close to Idaho and British Columbia. The game management units in this area offer Washington’s most productive deer hunting.

You still have the best deer hunting in the entire state of Washington and there are several chunks of washington with no significant wolf activity.  A few guys complain about hunting deer up in NE Wa and blame the wolves...I take it based on quotes from your outfitter page that you would say they are wrong then?  I mean we have a ton of deer where I hunt in Washington...but its not NE Wa...so you guys must be loaded with deer!  But then I get confused because in this thread:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,164342.msg2168537.html#msg2168537   you "challenge" WDFW's assertion that they have not seen a decline in deer and elk in NE Wa due to wolves. ??

Which is it...are you in the most productive/best deer hunting in the state even though you have the greatest concentration of wolves...or do you need to spend a bunch of time revising your outfitter page to describe NE Wa deer hunting as being in decline and not at all what it used to be? Maybe update the moose section as well 

None of this is pro-wolf btw...just curious what you actually believe the situation in NE Wa is...I don't hunt up there so I really have no idea if some of the stuff I read by folks on here about how horrible it may be has any truth to it.

Nice try.... 
Another wolf supporter trying to twist the facts.

My comments on my website are absolutely accurate. Please show me any other region in WA that produces near the number of deer as NE WA? On top of that we know what we are doing and we hunt the best ranches so our guided hunters regularly experience 90% to 100% shot opportunity. Does that mean there are not impacts from the high numbers of wolves, cougars, bear, and coyotes? Of course not! We used to have many more deer (especially in the mountains) as there are now but predators have really slowed the recovery after the harsh winters a few years ago. We have seen 10 cougars while hunting this year, the most we've ever seen. Certain areas near Smackout, the northwest part of the wedge,  have been really hit hard by wolves as are some areas in Huckleberry and Selkirk. The overall predator footprint is way out of whack, this state needs to harvest more predators and there would be far more hunter opportunities, especially in the mountains where most guys have to hunt.

4000 cougar in WA eating 25 to 50 deer per year is 100,000 to 200,000 deer per year. Those predation ratios are from government studies on cougar. Wolves have a similar impact if not worse when surplus killing occurs. Add 50 to 150 wolves in NE WA that is a very tough additional impact on the herds in certain areas of NE WA. (625 to 7500 additional deer being eaten by wolves in certain areas of NE WA on top of the cougar predation)

I talk with hundreds of hunters monthly, I regularly tell hunters to avoid certain areas due to wolf impacts.

[idahohuntr]

Good to hear...despite the highest concentration of wolves in Washington State you still have the best hunting.    Kind of ruins the "doom and gloom" crowd who say wolves will be the end of hunting