EPA cannot regulate lead

[hub]

I was surprised to read a rider in the budget just passed by the US senate that prohibits the EPA from regulating lead in ammo and fishing gear. That's a win for the good guys. 

[Crunchy]

Kind of a joke that they would actually want to.

[csaaphill]

dosn't really matter the last lead producer already has called it quits rather than follow EPA rules.
so kind of late now!

[Firedogg]

... and it does not stop the greenies at the state level from making rules of their own.

[hub]

... and it does not stop the greenies at the state level from making rules of their own.

Very true. That remains a concern for sure.   

[Elkaholic daWg]

... and it does not stop the greenies at the state level from making rules of their own.

Very true. That remains a concern for sure. 

 Especially with this *censored* governor

[Sitka_Blacktail]

dosn't really matter the last lead producer already has called it quits rather than follow EPA rules.
so kind of late now!

What will that do to the automotive battery business?

[Knocker of rocks]

dosn't really matter the last lead producer already has called it quits rather than follow EPA rules.
so kind of late now!

What will that do to the automotive battery business?

Lead is still produced in the United States.  The company that shut down was the last "primary" lead producer, producing lead from bodies primarily of lead ores.  Much lead is produced as a secondary product from other metal smelting and mining.

[csaaphill]

dosn't really matter the last lead producer already has called it quits rather than follow EPA rules.
so kind of late now!

What will that do to the automotive battery business?

Lead is still produced in the United States.  The company that shut down was the last "primary" lead producer, producing lead from bodies primarily of lead ores.  Much lead is produced as a secondary product from other metal smelting and mining.

sory but doubt it and or will need to see that. and with them trying to ban lead in ammo it wont matter anyhows.

[KenPCPilot]

... and it does not stop the greenies at the state level from making rules of their own.

Very true. That remains a concern for sure. 

 Especially with this *censored* governor

*censored* I like it!  Like is gas tax increase to fund his re-elections campain.  His plan to increase gas tax to fund global warming agenda.  Nice thing is his buddies that helped him get elected are the only ones that make the special fuel additives he proposed necessary.  Bottom line more tax gets you no new roads no new nothing but higher costs to all citizens and businesses. 

[Knocker of rocks]

dosn't really matter the last lead producer already has called it quits rather than follow EPA rules.
so kind of late now!

What will that do to the automotive battery business?

Lead is still produced in the United States.  The company that shut down was the last "primary" lead producer, producing lead from bodies primarily of lead ores.  Much lead is produced as a secondary product from other metal smelting and mining.

sory but doubt it and or will need to see that. and with them trying to ban lead in ammo it wont matter anyhows.

Lead production in the US is about what it was in 1996
http://minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pubs/commodity/lead/

There still are large lead mines in the US
http://www.reddogalaska.com

There are several mines which produce lead as a by product of gold, copper and silver mining.

[csaaphill]

dosn't really matter the last lead producer already has called it quits rather than follow EPA rules.
so kind of late now!

What will that do to the automotive battery business?

Lead is still produced in the United States.  The company that shut down was the last "primary" lead producer, producing lead from bodies primarily of lead ores.  Much lead is produced as a secondary product from other metal smelting and mining.

sory but doubt it and or will need to see that. and with them trying to ban lead in ammo it wont matter anyhows.

Lead production in the US is about what it was in 1996
http://minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pubs/commodity/lead/

There still are large lead mines in the US
http://www.reddogalaska.com

There are several mines which produce lead as a by product of gold, copper and silver mining.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/11/california-bans-lead-from-hunting-ammunition/2969497/
I noticed though on your links none was used for ammo. now not saying it's not there just saying wiht the greenies out there and anti hunting bans on lead based or lead cored ammo will be coming forth so even if it's still produced for other means as car batteries and such it wont be for ammo.
LEAD
(Data in thousand metric tons of lead content unless otherwise noted)
Domestic Production and Use: The value of recoverable mined lead in 2013, based on the average North American producer price, was about $829 million. Six lead mines in Missouri, plus lead-producing mines in Alaska and Idaho, accounted for all domestic mine production. Primary refined lead was produced at one smelter-refinery in Missouri. Of the plants that produced secondary lead at yearend 2013, 12 had capacities of 30,000 tons per year of refined lead or greater and accounted for more than 95% of secondary production. Lead was consumed at more than 70 manufacturing plants. The lead-acid battery industry accounted for about 90% of the reported U.S. lead consumption during 2013. Lead-acid batteries were primarily used as starting-lighting-ignition (SLI) batteries for automobiles and trucks and as industrial-type batteries for standby power for computer and telecommunications networks and for motive power. During the first 9 months of 2013, 93.2 million lead-acid automotive batteries were shipped by North American producers, a slight increase from those shipped in the same period of 2012.
Salient Statistics—United States: 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013e
Production:
Mine, lead in concentrates 406 369 342 345 340 Primary refinery 103 115 118 111 118
Secondary refinery, old scrap 1,110 1,140 1,130 1,110 1,100
Imports for consumption:
Lead in concentrates (1) (1) (1) (1) (1)
Refined metal, wrought and unwrought 252 273 316 351 470
Exports:
Lead in concentrates 287 299 223 214 250
Refined metal, wrought and unwrought 82 83 47 53 50
Consumption:
Reported 1,290 1,430 1,410 1,360 1,400
Apparent2 1,400 1,450 1,540 1,500 1,620
Price, average, cents per pound:
North American Producer 86.9 109 122 114 114
London Metal Exchange 78.0 97.4 109 93.5 94
Stocks, metal, producers, consumers, yearend 63 65 48 72 90
Employment:
Mine and mill (average), number3 1,560 1,590 1,700 1,660 1,850
Primary smelter, refineries 310 290 290 290 290
Secondary smelters, refineries 1,600 1,600 1,600 1,700 1,700
Net import reliance4 as a percentage of
apparent consumption 13% 13% 19% 18% 25%
Recycling: In 2013, about 1.10 million tons of secondary lead was produced, an amount equivalent to 68% of apparent domestic lead consumption. Nearly all secondary lead was recovered from old (post-consumer) scrap at secondary smelters.
Import Sources (2009–12): Metal, wrought and unwrought: Canada, 78%; Mexico, 15%; and other, 7%.
Tariff: Item Number Normal Trade Relations5
12–31–13
Unwrought (refined) 7801.10.0000 2.5% ad val.
Antimonial lead 7801.91.0000 2.5% ad val.
Alloys of lead 7801.99.9030 2.5% ad val.
Depletion Allowance: 22% (Domestic), 14% (Foreign).
Government Stockpile: None.
Events, Trends, and Issues: Lead stocks held in global London Metal Exchange (LME) warehouses declined to 240,600 tons by the end of September from 317,700 tons at yearend 2012. LME stocks held in domestic warehouses declined to 11,000 tons from 53,225 tons during that time period. North American producer prices were relatively stable throughout the first 9 months of the year. LME lead cash prices averaged $2,340 per metric ton in January and declined to $2,088 per metric ton in September. Domestic mine production in 2013 was expected to be relatively unchanged from that in the previous year. In February, a silver-lead mine in Idaho, which had shut down for maintenance work in early 2012, restarted mining and reached full production capacity by late
taken from your link

[csaaphill]

heres my point though
http://www.ammoland.com/2013/10/last-u-s-lead-smelter-to-close-ammunition-manufacturing-to-feel-effects/#axzz3LwevGzmQ
Last U.S. Lead Smelter to Close, Ammunition & Fishing Manufacturing to Feel EffectsNRA – ILA
 Charlotte, NC --(Ammoland.com)- In December, the final primary lead smelter in the United States will close.  The lead smelter, located in Herculaneum, Missouri, and owned and operated by the Doe Run Company, has existed in the same location since 1892.
 
The Herculaneum smelter is currently the only smelter in the United States which can produce lead bullion from raw lead ore that is mined nearby in Missouri’s extensive lead deposits, giving the smelter its “primary” designation.  The lead bullion produced in Herculaneum is then sold to lead product producers, including ammunition manufactures for use in conventional ammunition components such as projectiles, projectile cores, and primers.   Several “secondary” smelters, where lead is recycled from products such as lead acid batteries or spent ammunition components, still operate in the United States.
 
Doe Run made significant efforts to reduce lead emissions from the smelter, but in 2008 the federal Environmental Protection Agency issued new National Ambient Air Quality Standards for lead that were 10 times tighter than the previous standard.  Given the new lead air quality standard, Doe Run made the decision to close the Herculaneum smelter.
  Whatever the EPA’s motivation when creating the new lead air quality standard, increasingly restrictive regulation of lead is likely to affect the production and cost of traditional ammunition.  Just this month, California Governor Jerry Brown signed into law a bill that will ban lead ammunition for all hunting in California.  The Center for Biological Diversity has tried multiple times to get similar regulations at the federal level by trying, and repeatedly failing, to get the EPA to regulate conventional ammunition under the Toxic Substances Control Act.
At this time, it’s unclear if Doe Run or another company will open a new lead smelter in the United States that can meet the more stringent lead air quality standards by using more modern smelting methods.
 
What is clear is that after the Herculaneum smelter closes its doors in December, entirely domestic manufacture of conventional ammunition, from raw ore to finished cartridge, will be impossible.
 
About:
Established in 1975, the Institute for Legislative Action (ILA) is the “lobbying” arm of the National Rifle Association of America. ILA is responsible for preserving the right of all law-abiding individuals in the legislative, political, and legal arenas, to purchase, possess and use firearms for legitimate purposes as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Visit: www.nra.org
Tagged: Ammo Shortage, Eco-terrorism, EPA, Firearms Industry News, Lead Ammunition

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[Knocker of rocks]

I noticed though on your links none was used for ammo.

Lead is a commodity, and will be used for whatever the buyers use it for, be it ammo, batteries, tire weights or what have you.

[hub]

For what its worth,I was just notified by my state senate rep that since the state senate is now controlled by the republicans that they are carefully watching for any attempt to outlaw our ammo. She said they will kill any effort to do so. I got a refreshing response I was glad to hear. I actually asked for a republican sponsored bill to prohibit regulation of our ammo and fishing gear on a state level. We shall see as I know dang well Insley and his wackos would love to ban our ammo. After 594 got passed by the people I,m getting rather aggressive about letting my elected officials hear from me.

[csaaphill]

For what its worth,I was just notified by my state senate rep that since the state senate is now controlled by the republicans that they are carefully watching for any attempt to outlaw our ammo. She said they will kill any effort to do so. I got a refreshing response I was glad to hear. I actually asked for a republican sponsored bill to prohibit regulation of our ammo and fishing gear on a state level. We shall see as I know dang well Insley and his wackos would love to ban our ammo. After 594 got passed by the people I,m getting rather aggressive about letting my elected officials hear from me.

Did that include a ban on lead being used for hunting and what not? or just an out right ban?
California baned lead ammo with lies, and agenda based politics from the Greenies and other groups so what's their responce on that?
Oregon is close to doing that I'm seeing. In their regs they have it as volunteerism but for how much longer?

[hub]

I asked for a bill that prohibits the state from regulating or banning ammo and fishing gear that contains lead. That's it. Nothing else. 

[blackdog]

I believe the Washington fish and wildlife commission is going to spend money to coerce hunters into using non lead ammo in their next years direction to the department. Its part of Commissioner Weckers war on hunters.

[csaaphill]

I believe the Washington fish and wildlife commission is going to spend money to coerce hunters into using non lead ammo in their next years direction to the department. Its part of Commissioner Weckers war on hunters.