I ordered my 6" 686 a long time ago, it took 6 months to get to me from S&W. I had a trigger job done by a fabulous gun smith who carried a 6" 686 thrown in the back of his pants until the day he died of a heart attack. I can shoot a pepper popper 6 times with it before it hits the ground. I also have a 4" with an interesting history. Both well before pre-locks and +'s, the old ones sure are something.