Every wonder why the big elk are gone by the time you finally draw a tag?

[Tbar]

To the OP i don't know who you think you are but you had no right posting this picture in the first place. Sure another Native shot a nice bull, was it done legally? sure was! If you have a problem with that, that's fine but don't go throwing names of people out there that you don't even now then proceed to bad mouth their work. That's real "sportsman" like!

Only because Frazier claims to be the picture taker I will remove it per his request.  As for knowing the quality of the taxi work I have seen a few mounts he has done looks ok at best doesn't even brush the hid down it stick up everywhere.  Maybe that's how you like it but I am just saying the work looked not very good. Imo. And because he supports your slaughter I wouldn't support him for one minute.   As for the bull being killed on Rez I Doubt it.  Nice story though! Also was it a 300" or 400" cuz some seem to think it was 300" and since you have first hand knowledge you should be able to clarify it very easily!

So initially you thought it was fine to post a pic from an unknown source and make accusations?

[Practical Approach]

Yup, there are no big bulls left when I go hunting because there are too many hunters in the woods period each season.  Washington needs to go to a permit only everywhere season.  Too much hunting pressure from early archery, archery, muzzle loader, late muzzleloader, late archery, modern firearm, multi-season, and tribal seasons where applicable. 

[hunterrcc]

This thread is ridiculous.  The OP is bordering on slander by posting a picture of someone he doesnt know, with a bull he knows nothing about.  This thread should be deleted.

. With all due respect, calling the OP a liar just because somebody else has a different story doesn't make much sense.  I missed where there was PROOF EITHER WAY on where and who killed this bull.  I'm not siding one way or the other but its an unfair assumption on who has the correct story when its purely a he said she said kind of thing.

Are you(open question) okay with someone posting a picture of you or an animal you legally harvested?  Then take it a step further and paint you (or your animal with someone else) in a negative light? You would be fine with all the unfounded accusations and bashing directed at you and your legally harvested animal?  I know I would not but it's commonplace on this site and unfortunate. Any time it's tribal it's accusatory and negative here.
These are open questions to anyone not trying to single anyone out, put yourself in the hunters shoes. If you want to talk politics and inequity then start a thread about your differing opinions on tribal hunting, don't single out an animal or individual without being willing to cite your facts and sources. I'm not calling anyone a liar but there are multiple members citing specifics on where the bull was killed and the op only makes ambiguous generalizations and refuses to provide any specifics.  I agree this thread should be deleted or the op should come clean with proof of his accusations.

Tbar I would not tell you where any elk was killed for all I know you would use that info to know where to go look for big bulls yourself or to tell your Indian friends!  I didn't say anything bad about the guy.   And for the record I have been bashed here before I was a member and accused of helping poach Nail benders Bulls in 2009.  There was the so many rumors about the gut pile being checked by game wardens, party hunting, shooting it the night before the season, us using a group of people to follow the bull for days, shooting it in a closed unit, on and on even wasting it.  So yes I do know how it is to be rumored over a large bull people get jealous.  But thing is you can shoot any bull while we are trying to grow the herd and keep all the Bulls from being killed and Indians do their damn best to shoot as many as possible.  Not to mention many other times on this site.  I know enough that all the Indians on here don't like being called out for their shooting of bulls so If I see one killed I will post it.

[coachcw]

Yup, there are no big bulls left when I go hunting because there are too many hunters in the woods period each season.  Washington needs to go to a permit only everywhere season.  Too much hunting pressure from early archery, archery, muzzle loader, late muzzleloader, late archery, modern firearm, multi-season, and tribal seasons where applicable. 

:tup:and every yar member draws as many quality bull and buck tags they want  Draw for every one and I'd be game ! Im sure if most of us looked into our family tree we would have 1/8 Indian in us .... maybe we all should just hunt when ever till all the game is gone and the story is over?

[jackelope]

This thread is ridiculous.  The OP is bordering on slander by posting a picture of someone he doesnt know, with a bull he knows nothing about.  This thread should be deleted.

. With all due respect, calling the OP a liar just because somebody else has a different story doesn't make much sense.  I missed where there was PROOF EITHER WAY on where and who killed this bull.  I'm not siding one way or the other but its an unfair assumption on who has the correct story when its purely a he said she said kind of thing.

Are you(open question) okay with someone posting a picture of you or an animal you legally harvested?  Then take it a step further and paint you (or your animal with someone else) in a negative light? You would be fine with all the unfounded accusations and bashing directed at you and your legally harvested animal?  I know I would not but it's commonplace on this site and unfortunate. Any time it's tribal it's accusatory and negative here.
These are open questions to anyone not trying to single anyone out, put yourself in the hunters shoes. If you want to talk politics and inequity then start a thread about your differing opinions on tribal hunting, don't single out an animal or individual without being willing to cite your facts and sources. I'm not calling anyone a liar but there are multiple members citing specifics on where the bull was killed and the op only makes ambiguous generalizations and refuses to provide any specifics.  I agree this thread should be deleted or the op should come clean with proof of his accusations.

Tbar I would not tell you where any elk was killed for all I know you would use that info to know where to go look for big bulls yourself or to tell your Indian friends!  I didn't say anything bad about the guy.   And for the record I have been bashed here before I was a member and accused of helping poach Nail benders Bulls in 2009.  There was the so many rumors about the gut pile being checked by game wardens, party hunting, shooting it the night before the season, us using a group of people to follow the bull for days, shooting it in a closed unit, on and on even wasting it.  So yes I do know how it is to be rumored over a large bull people get jealous.  But thing is you can shoot any bull while we are trying to grow the herd and keep all the Bulls from being killed and Indians do their damn best to shoot as many as possible.  Not to mention many other times on this site.  I know enough that all the Indians on here don't like being called out for their shooting of bulls so If I see one killed I will post it.

Wow, that's a lot of info.

[Jonathan_S]

Yup, there are no big bulls left when I go hunting because there are too many hunters in the woods period each season.  Washington needs to go to a permit only everywhere season.  Too much hunting pressure from early archery, archery, muzzle loader, late muzzleloader, late archery, modern firearm, multi-season, and tribal seasons where applicable. 

:tup:and every yar member draws as many quality bull and buck tags they want  Draw for every one and I'd be game ! Im sure if most of us looked into our family tree we would have 1/8 Indian in us .... maybe we all should just hunt when ever till all the game is gone and the story is over?

  I'm a quarter Cherokee, I'm an Indian Outlaw like Tim McGraw.  Sign me up for a couple of bulls too.  I know my rights!

[frazierw]

To the OP i don't know who you think you are but you had no right posting this picture in the first place. Sure another Native shot a nice bull, was it done legally? sure was! If you have a problem with that, that's fine but don't go throwing names of people out there that you don't even now then proceed to bad mouth their work. That's real "sportsman" like!

Only because Frazier claims to be the picture taker I will remove it per his request.  As for knowing the quality of the taxi work I have seen a few mounts he has done looks ok at best doesn't even brush the hid down it stick up everywhere.  Maybe that's how you like it but I am just saying the work looked not very good. Imo. And because he supports your slaughter I wouldn't support him for one minute.   As for the bull being killed on Rez I Doubt it.  Nice story though! Also was it a 300" or 400" cuz some seem to think it was 300" and since you have first hand knowledge you should be able to clarify it very easily!

Very mature of you to take the time to post this bull and them bash a taxidermist's work.  The killing of the bull has nothing to do with the taxidermist and his work.  Trolls will troll i guess

[coachcw]

This thread is ridiculous.  The OP is bordering on slander by posting a picture of someone he doesnt know, with a bull he knows nothing about.  This thread should be deleted.

. With all due respect, calling the OP a liar just because somebody else has a different story doesn't make much sense.  I missed where there was PROOF EITHER WAY on where and who killed this bull.  I'm not siding one way or the other but its an unfair assumption on who has the correct story when its purely a he said she said kind of thing.

Are you(open question) okay with someone posting a picture of you or an animal you legally harvested?  Then take it a step further and paint you (or your animal with someone else) in a negative light? You would be fine with all the unfounded accusations and bashing directed at you and your legally harvested animal?  I know I would not but it's commonplace on this site and unfortunate. Any time it's tribal it's accusatory and negative here.
These are open questions to anyone not trying to single anyone out, put yourself in the hunters shoes. If you want to talk politics and inequity then start a thread about your differing opinions on tribal hunting, don't single out an animal or individual without being willing to cite your facts and sources. I'm not calling anyone a liar but there are multiple members citing specifics on where the bull was killed and the op only makes ambiguous generalizations and refuses to provide any specifics.  I agree this thread should be deleted or the op should come clean with proof of his accusations.

Tbar I would not tell you where any elk was killed for all I know you would use that info to know where to go look for big bulls yourself or to tell your Indian friends!  I didn't say anything bad about the guy.   And for the record I have been bashed here before I was a member and accused of helping poach Nail benders Bulls in 2009.  There was the so many rumors about the gut pile being checked by game wardens, party hunting, shooting it the night before the season, us using a group of people to follow the bull for days, shooting it in a closed unit, on and on even wasting it.  So yes I do know how it is to be rumored over a large bull people get jealous.  But thing is you can shoot any bull while we are trying to grow the herd and keep all the Bulls from being killed and Indians do their damn best to shoot as many as possible.  Not to mention many other times on this site.  I know enough that all the Indians on here don't like being called out for their shooting of bulls so If I see one killed I will post it.

I still think of that bull ! I had him at 80 yards and coming in with a bull tag in my pocket , when a cow came off the hill and he took her away .... had to settle for a 340 dink Satellite bull . Nailbender did have some great access no doubt .

[coachcw]

The taxidermist that profit off those Indian bulls are a big part of the problem ! no saying this guy is just saying .... That Why I use Ric . He is slow but ethical 

[Tbar]

This thread is ridiculous.  The OP is bordering on slander by posting a picture of someone he doesnt know, with a bull he knows nothing about.  This thread should be deleted.

. With all due respect, calling the OP a liar just because somebody else has a different story doesn't make much sense.  I missed where there was PROOF EITHER WAY on where and who killed this bull.  I'm not siding one way or the other but its an unfair assumption on who has the correct story when its purely a he said she said kind of thing.

Are you(open question) okay with someone posting a picture of you or an animal you legally harvested?  Then take it a step further and paint you (or your animal with someone else) in a negative light? You would be fine with all the unfounded accusations and bashing directed at you and your legally harvested animal?  I know I would not but it's commonplace on this site and unfortunate. Any time it's tribal it's accusatory and negative here.
These are open questions to anyone not trying to single anyone out, put yourself in the hunters shoes. If you want to talk politics and inequity then start a thread about your differing opinions on tribal hunting, don't single out an animal or individual without being willing to cite your facts and sources. I'm not calling anyone a liar but there are multiple members citing specifics on where the bull was killed and the op only makes ambiguous generalizations and refuses to provide any specifics.  I agree this thread should be deleted or the op should come clean with proof of his accusations.

Tbar I would not tell you where any elk was killed for all I know you would use that info to know where to go look for big bulls yourself or to tell your Indian friends!  I didn't say anything bad about the guy.   And for the record I have been bashed here before I was a member and accused of helping poach Nail benders Bulls in 2009.  There was the so many rumors about the gut pile being checked by game wardens, party hunting, shooting it the night before the season, us using a group of people to follow the bull for days, shooting it in a closed unit, on and on even wasting it.  So yes I do know how it is to be rumored over a large bull people get jealous.  But thing is you can shoot any bull while we are trying to grow the herd and keep all the Bulls from being killed and Indians do their damn best to shoot as many as possible.  Not to mention many other times on this site.  I know enough that all the Indians on here don't like being called out for their shooting of bulls so If I see one killed I will post it.

Your accusatory (towards myself) comments are laughable. 

[Naches Sportsman]

If this bull was shot on the rez, I wonder how the frazier guy got on there.  I didn't know they allowed white people on the rez. Your family supports mdf and rmef, but thinks tribal hunting is ok?  Look what they did to your old stomping grounds up oak creek.

[PlateauNDN]

So are you saying this bull in question was mounted and you seen it?

[hunterrcc]

So are you saying this bull in question was mounted and you seen it?

No how dumb are you I never once said this bull was mounted and that I saw the bull!  I state I have seen his work and not impressed at all. 

[PlateauNDN]

So are you saying this bull in question was mounted and you seen it?

No how dumb are you I never once said this bull was mounted and that I saw the bull!  I state I have seen his work and not impressed at all. 

I'd say the same  but its pretty obvious.

[PlateauNDN]

Its okay hunter, since you've yet to provide a shred of proof in regards to the details of this bull we can agree you won't because its unsubstantiated. Should I define that word for you or can you figure it out. you believe its a poached bull from north of e-burg, another story I got was it was from east of blewett pass and another was Colockum aside from the one that says its a rez bull so you tell me, what does your story and "credible source" say???