WA Senator Introduces Trespass Fluorescent Orange Bill For Second Time in a Year

[fireweed]

Maybe.  :yeah. I know that you are just being scarcastic,But I do think of this  Wih all the land thievery that has taken place in the past through coruption and murder,Many of these huge land owners in America didnt buy the property as you and I have to today.So what you say,Well to an extent I agree with you but sometimes some end up with so much property and they make deals and such with the GOV. that they pay little to none in taxes for said land and then they go back on their word with the GOV. and we end up paying for the ability to hunt these lands.Is this ok with you Macs B?

I'd be happy if our legislatures just stopped forcing homeowners and businesses to subsidize them in property taxes when they charge!  Other states (Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michagan) requires public access for the full tax "shift"

[MHWASH]

It states right in the hunt regs that land owners are not required to post thier land. Why should the burden be on the property owners?

Violations
1.   Do Not Trespass - The state of Washington has strict laws prohibiting trespass on private land. Per RCW 77.15.435, it is unlawful to hunt
or retrieve wildlife from the property of another. Owners are not required to post their land.

[bobcat]

It states right in the hunt regs that land owners are not required to post thier land. Why should the burden be on the property owners?

Violations
1.   Do Not Trespass - The state of Washington has strict laws prohibiting trespass on private land. Per RCW 77.15.435, it is unlawful to hunt
or retrieve wildlife from the property of another. Owners are not required to post their land.

This always is mentioned when this discussion comes up, and it's true- there's no law that requires a landowner to post their land. However, if it's not fenced or cultivated then it must be posted, otherwise a person cannot be cited for trespassing on that land.

[MHWASH]

It states right in the hunt regs that land owners are not required to post thier land. Why should the burden be on the property owners?

Violations
1.   Do Not Trespass - The state of Washington has strict laws prohibiting trespass on private land. Per RCW 77.15.435, it is unlawful to hunt
or retrieve wildlife from the property of another. Owners are not required to post their land.

This always is mentioned when this discussion comes up, and it's true- there's no law that requires a landowner to post their land. However, if it's not fenced or cultivated then it must be posted, otherwise a person cannot be cited for trespassing on that land.

Can you direct me to that particular RCW?

[KopperBuck]

A slight negative may be the more permanent nature of the paint when used illegally. Have to find someway to mitigate that.


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[Humptulips]

Yea, There are a lot of people think they are entitled to a special tax break. This site, as a rule usually really comes down on anyone with their handout to the government. Timber companies, OK though. I was fine with them getting a break as long as the public got something for the tax break. Not so much now.

As for the timber workers the timber companies like WEYCO, Simpson, Rayonier employ, you'll have a hard time finding any of them any more. They've done their best to eliminate those jobs.

[fireweed]

Doesnt it state that in the same rcw as the trespass law as a defense to?Yes RCW 77.15.435

Here's another similar:
RCW 9A.52.010  Definitions
A person who enters or remains upon unimproved and apparently unused land, which is neither fenced nor otherwise enclosed in a manner designed to exclude intruders, does so with license and privilege unless notice against trespass is personally communicated to him or her by the owner of the land or some other authorized person, or unless notice is given by posting in a conspicuous manner. Land that is used for commercial aquaculture or for growing an agricultural crop or crops, other than timber, is not unimproved and apparently unused land if a crop or any other sign of cultivation is clearly visible or if notice is given by posting in a conspicuous manner. Similarly, a field fenced in any manner is not unimproved and apparently unused land. A license or privilege to enter or remain on improved and apparently used land that is open to the public at particular times, which is neither fenced nor otherwise enclosed in a manner to exclude intruders, is not a license or privilege to enter or remain on the land at other times if notice of prohibited times of entry is posted in a conspicuous manner.

They new legislation, I suppose, adds a stripe of paints this definition for  posting in a conspicuous manner

[ibuyre]

One thing I haven't seen anyone mention is. Sheldon is from Shelton. Most of the land I hunt is owned by Simpson Timber aka "Green Diamond" Big in Shelton. ALL of there gates are painted Orange, and they always have been. I can see this suddenly closing all there lands, I don't think they will go around painting there gates. Even if they are "open", as for just saying it won't, I was stopped up in there by a Game warden, and he told me I was Trespassing and said he was going to right me up (there was 3 signs posted by Green Diamond that said the area was open, and if you called them, it was open, the Game warden told me he didn't see the signs). It wasn't till he made a phone call to "Green Diamond" that he didn't right me up. Now if they can use Orange paint on gates, that makes it easy for the Game warden to right you up and take your stuff, then you have to fight it... and by by season. So that is one reason I don't like to see this.

     Reason 2 goes hand in glove. I own a bunch of land, I mark my lines and gates, so they are easy to see.... I always use orange paint. When guys are marking property lines, guess what they use..... orange ribbon and paint on trees. Easy to see in the woods. Will this now make it easy for you to get written up and then have to fight it after ward. Even when you have permission to be there and there by miss your season, and have to take time to fight your charge. I think this is a BAD deal. Was it common practice in those other states for everyone to mark there property lines with orange ribbon? And paint gates and cables that color so people could see them and not run into them.

      This will close a ton of land and the land owners won't even know there land has been closed. Sounds like a mess to me.