Muzzie for the elk opinions

[trophyhunt]

You should try and find another encore xr, love mine.

[scottcrb]

i have an original knigt DISC before the extreme came out and love it . great gun easy to clean reliable . i shoot knight bloodline 300gr with 110 gr fffg powder and the spike i took last year dropped hard and found bullet fragments in the heart and lungs. bullet preformed awesomely. listen to sabotloader he knows his stuff.

[floatinghat]

I like my Knight and T/C Renegade.  What are your expectations understanding that might help answer your question.

[Soady]

Hi folks. I posted something similar to this on the Elk Forum but I wanted your expert opinions from the muzxleloader section. I have hunted the Merrill ring pshyyt tree farm for many years. As many of you know they only sell 150 permits to the 60,000 acre land. Of those 150 permits three individuals are drawn to take a bull elk. After a long time of trying I have fortunately been drawn to take a bull elk this season. After much debate and thought I have decided to hunt with A muzzle loader during the first week of October.

I am not a complete rookie with Blackpowder and have taken 4 Blacktail deer in my life using a Thompson Center Black Diamond XR 50 caliber. However I sold it many years ago and now I am in the market for a new muzzleloader that is Northwest legal. I used to use the Blackdiamond with a 405 grain powerbelt and 110 g of Pyrodex and it was very accurate offhand up to 100 yards. However cleaning the thing was a real pain in the butt. What do you guys recommend now for a good quality accurate, and reliable muzzle that is easy to clean?  Thanks in advance.

If you are going to use the BP rifle for just this hunt then purchase a used one that you deem to be in good working order. If you are wanting to rekindle an old love affair with the modern twist then look to the Knight line as stated by Sabotloader. The versatility is years ahead of others both in the way you can interchange breech plugs, sights and stocks and barrels. The firing mechanism is straight forward and fully adjustable for trigger pull release weight. Cleaning, breakdown, and assembly is easy. Parts are readily available and the Green Mountain barrel accuracy goes way back as an industry standard copied by many yet rarely duplicated. It will be a rifle you can use for many years and pass down to younger generations if you choose to do so.

Good luck in your choice of a quality BP muzzleloader and good luck with your hunt of a nice bull this season!

[Open-sights]

Thanks to all that replied!  Your guidance is appreciated. 

[Whitelightning]

My favorite is White Rifles.

[Joe]

+1 for the white with 465gr  lead

[jdb]

i have an original knigt DISC before the extreme came out and love it . great gun easy to clean reliable . i shoot knight bloodline 300gr with 110 gr fffg powder and the spike i took last year dropped hard and found bullet fragments in the heart and lungs. bullet preformed awesomely. listen to sabotloader he knows his stuff.

with all due respect if your bullet fragmented i'd hardly say it performed flawlessly. I understand it dropped which is what we always want but I never want a bullet to fragment

[Sabotloader]

i have an original knigt DISC before the extreme came out and love it . great gun easy to clean reliable . i shoot knight bloodline 300gr with 110 gr fffg powder and the spike i took last year dropped hard and found bullet fragments in the heart and lungs. bullet preformed awesomely. listen to sabotloader he knows his stuff.

with all due respect if your bullet fragmented i'd hardly say it performed flawlessly. I understand it dropped which is what we always want but I never want a bullet to fragment

jdb, the bullet did 'fragment' but it is really called 'controlled fracture'.  The theory of operation actually  comes from Germany where they might be ahead of a little bit in the use of less powerful rifle to harvest their animals.  They are able to do this by using a different performing bullet.

In theory the Bloodline is seven bullets in one... the six petals in the nose and the main body of the bullet.  The way the bullet is designed it enters the animal through and or bone and essentially does not expand or deform it keeps its shape and continues to penetrate UNTIL - it contacts a liquid atmosphere - upon contact with the liquid the nose of the bullet splits and expands. When the 6 gr. petals open to 40* they fracture away from the main bullet they then travel outward puncturing internal organ tissue rupturing any nearby organs. Since they only weigh 6 grs. they can travel very far nor can they travel very far when they contact muscle tissue.

At the point of fracture you really have to forces working on the organs in the body. 1. the rupturing and tearing of internal organs like the heart and lungs and 2. the velocity of the bullet body, weighing 264 grs., will also cause 'hydrostatic shock' in the chest cavity. The body of the bullet with its sharp edges and blunt nose now acts pretty much as the old lead Keith Nose conicals.  But, because of it retained velocity and no real drag, the bullet continues to penetrate and most often exits.

I hope this explains it somewhat.  The Bloodline is an awesome bullet for harvesting animals even though some would call it fragmenting.



 

[jdb]

That makes perfect sense. I was envisioning a bullet that fragmented like a varmint bullet. Thanks for the clarification!

[Sabotloader]

That makes perfect sense. I was envisioning a bullet that fragmented like a varmint bullet. Thanks for the clarification!

Well when you see the word 'fragmentation' that is exactly the image that comes to mind... It took me a long time to move myself from the conventional mushrooming theory to the 'controlled fracture' thought.

I used a Nosler Partiton for what seems like centuries because the of the controlled expansion that it offered.  I hated a bullet that pancaked, reducing velocity and penetration - just the opposite of what I was looking for.

This picture shows somewhat how the bullet works... with the in and out hole - what it doesn't show is the damage to the internals it caused. but if you look on the ground you can see a long tubular clot of blood laying in the snow.  When I opened the chest cavity there was a whole lot of these tubes of blood nad very little of the organs left.

[Westside88]

I've been watching this thread closely since I'm also looking for my first Muzzle loader for elk hunting. As of right now I'd say my three likely choices are Knight Bighorn, Knight Disc extreme or CVA optima.  I'd say my front runner is the Knight Bighorn, the price seems decent for what seems to be a good quality gun. Anyone have any thoughts on the thumb hole stocks?

[duckmen1]

I absolutely love the thumb hole stock. Super comfortable to shoot. Can be a tad bulkier than other stocks but the reward is worth it.

[bowhunterforever]

I absolutely love the thumb hole stock. Super comfortable to shoot. Can be a tad bulkier than other stocks but the reward is worth it.

Get the thumb hole

[Sabotloader]

I've been watching this thread closely since I'm also looking for my first Muzzle loader for elk hunting. As of right now I'd say my three likely choices are Knight Bighorn, Knight Disc extreme or CVA optima.  I'd say my front runner is the Knight Bighorn, the price seems decent for what seems to be a good quality gun. Anyone have any thoughts on the thumb hole stocks?

Awesome!  never thought I would like a thumbhole for hunting - they are perfect for range shooting - then I started hunting with one - now I have to many... Lot of good features in a thumbhole.