2015 hoof rot elk?

[sled]

  Hate to bring up the subject but I am curious as to how many harvested elk this year have had signs of hoof rot?

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

It's 2015 sled.   

Seen a few from the Winston on cell pics from 2014.  Muzzleloader bull.  Feet were missing. Just stinky nubs. 

[sled]

Haha.  Fixed it thanks.

[BA Mongor]

My (2) local herds outside of Skamokawa, (16) and (7) strong, are batting around 50% infected.

The (4) bulls this morning, in front of the house, all but (1) didn't have it. The big split G4 bull that's been around for the past 3-years finally got it this past year. He's been healthy before this year, so it's still not going away anytime soon.

It's absolutely horrible to watch them wither away, as well as seeing coyotes eat them alive. And the fact that I originally had only (1) cougar around and now have pictures of (3) !

Not sure when it's going to get better, but I hope it's soon.

BA

[JakeLand]

Sorry for my ignorance but what causes hoof rot ?

[JJB11B]

Sorry for my ignorance but what causes hoof rot ?

Obama!

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

It's been debated on here. 

[chester]

Sorry for my ignorance but what causes hoof rot ?

Leptospirosis is one theory


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[Curly]

Bacteria in the soil is a theory.

[2labs]

Monsanto?

[Thehowler]

Herbicides containing 2,4-D

[JJB11B]

I maintain that it was the POTUS

[dreamunelk]

Sorry for my ignorance but what causes hoof rot ?

http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/advisory/ehd/handouts_011415_EHD.pdf
Here is a start.  Go to Page 42 for a peer reviewed paper from the journal of Clinical Microbiology.  There are a few more peer reviewed papers out.  Not sure I can share based on membership rules and publishing rights and ect.   
Google Treponemes and Chronic Digital dermatitis in Ovines and Bovines.  Also try Hairy Warts in cows.

That will get you started if you are truly interested in what is believed to be the cause.  Understand that there is a lot still to be determined.  It is not known if Treponemes are the cause or another bacteria or something facilitates.  Keep in mind the livestock and dairy industry have been fighting Treponeme associated hoof problems for years.   While they can treat it they have not found a cure or a immunization for it. They can treat it.  Very labor intensive.  Also consider that most, exception is Saint Helens, appears to be with elk that spend a lot of time in agricultural areas.  Really not a natural behavior for elk.  Standing in fields that are treated with waste or in fields that are so wet the a good producer would not run cows on during winter is not good for elk as it is not good for live stock.   Elk behavioral ecology is to move about the landscape so predators have a harder time finding them. 

Leptospirosis has been ruled out yet is pushed by a few who with an agenda.  Best thing sports people can do is tell them to shut up or provide relevant information and protocol for investigating. Spraying has also been ruled out as a cause.  Does not mean the spraying does not have other affects that may cause problems at the population level.

And to end this hunters need to show that they are informed.  It is not HOOF ROT!  That is another disease that afflicts livestock.  Hunters need to learn that it is more accurate to say hoof deformity or hoof disease.

That said I still say horn or bone when technically they are antlers. 

No amount of education or experience can take ought the thoughts of a Red Neck Hunter who know where His Meat Comes from out of him!  It is a genetic thing!

[Thehowler]

 

[redalder]

My (2) local herds outside of Skamokawa, (16) and (7) strong, are batting around 50% infected.

The (4) bulls this morning, in front of the house, all but (1) didn't have it. The big split G4 bull that's been around for the past 3-years finally got it this past year. He's been healthy before this year, so it's still not going away anytime soon.

It's absolutely horrible to watch them wither away, as well as seeing coyotes eat them alive. And the fact that I originally had only (1) cougar around and now have pictures of (3) !

Not sure when it's going to get better, but I hope it's soon.

BA

I'm in Skamokawa, too, and my place has steadily declined in elk activity and sign over the past 2-3 years. I didn't get any animals crossing my place on their way between valleys during the hunting season so far this year, first year I can remember that that didn't happen. I don't think I've ever seen a group of elk around here for several years now that didn't have at least 20% or more of the animals affected.

[grundy53]

Saw a lot less hoof rot around my area this year than in years past.

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[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

Huh.  Wonder if that is happening in more spots.

[AdnaHunter]

Killed a bull in the fall river unit above doty that had hoof rot

[Lightning_Rider]

Saw a lot less hoof rot around my area this year than in years past.

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[floatinghat]

I saw a few limpers in 530 and 506 during early muzzy.  I would say percentage wise limpers was about like last year.  We saw fewer elk and more hunters than previous years without question.

[GregE]

Sure was a lot of bloody tracks in the snow in Winston Cr unit last year.  Sure hope the herds survive better this and future years...

[SCRUBS]

Is this also showing up on the east side, or is it just a west side issue?

[washingtonhunter121]

Just a westside thing from everything that I have seen. In ryderwood and willapa hills this year didn't see a limping animal above 500 feet above the fields but it's about 40 to 50 percent when you look at the field elk in farmers fields or in the lower levels of the timberland. I think they either die up high in the hills or they migrate down to join the field elk.Watched 4 Bulls in a field with 25 or so and 15 limped and two of the Bulls looked like they could barely stand on their front legs. But pretty sure Grundy is in a similar area and by far less limping elk in the hilly areas then the last few years and same number of hoof rot animals down low.

[trophyhunt]

I hunted up high and down by the green river in the Margaret, saw blood in tracks a few different times and limping elk just a couple times.  The worst case of roof rot I saw was from a bull a veteran killed, big bull that had a foot that seriously looked like an elephant foot.  Wish I would have taken a pic.

[SCRUBS]

Just a westside thing from everything that I have seen. In ryderwood and willapa hills this year didn't see a limping animal above 500 feet above the fields but it's about 40 to 50 percent when you look at the field elk in farmers fields or in the lower levels of the timberland. I think they either die up high in the hills or they migrate down to join the field elk.Watched 4 Bulls in a field with 25 or so and 15 limped and two of the Bulls looked like they could barely stand on their front legs. But pretty sure Grundy is in a similar area and by far less limping elk in the hilly areas then the last few years and same number of hoof rot animals down low.

Thank you for the info washingtonhunter121.

[HntnFsh]

There are documented cases of it on the east side too. Pretty much statewide snymore. Just not as high of numbers affected yet.

[rem/sav300]

The bull i got this year was missing a toe on each back hoof. the cow he was with was also limping pretty bad. He was worse than she was though. still had velvet on his horns opening day of westside muzzy season. pretty sure he was hurting to bad to stand and rub the rest off. he was pretty skinny too. only got 180 lbs of meat off him. guessing he wouldnt of made it through the winter. poor fella.

[dreamunelk]

There are documented cases of it on the east side too. Pretty much statewide snymore. Just not as high of numbers affected yet.

What documented cased?  Proof that is the same as the west side please.

[fishnfur]

"Leptospirosis has been ruled out yet is pushed by a few who with an agenda.  Best thing sports people can do is tell them to shut up or provide relevant information and protocol for investigating. Spraying has also been ruled out as a cause.  Does not mean the spraying does not have other affects that may cause problems at the population level."

I don't think "ruled out" is a scientifically correct way to state that.  If I remember correctly, they did a small study that had inconclusive results on Leptospirosis, and no studies at all rule out long term exposure effects of spraying herbicides and pesticides in timberlands. Correct me if I'm wrong, and show me the studies.

Google "hoof rot elk" and read more than just the WDFW literature.  Call me stupid and a redneck, but I was microbiology major way back when, and I'm not signing off on Treponema as a sole cause of the affliction without further evidence.  It goes against my training and nature.

Don't think for a moment that WDFW doesn't have their own political agendas that may be playing into the study of this disease.

[Squidward]

Anyone else notice this stuff started right after the big W had 3 or 4 Rocky Mt elk in a pen up behind Lyons Club park, And started in that same area? Squidward

[Martinhunter]

My cow I killed yesterday had the rot on one of her front hooves.

[pianoman9701]

I maintain that it was the POTUS

This would certainly explain the stonewalling by the state government! 

[GregE]

All of the elk I saw this year, ( seemed to be moving well and tracks were clean edged in mud and snow with no bleeding seen.  Much better than last year.

[hoof rot]

I think its the lazy "w" spraying but its just speculation.

[Crunchy]

I saw two cows in Pumice Plains.  Both had a limp.  I killed the one with less noticeable limp.

[sirmissalot]

There are confirmed cases in the surrounding areas of shelton now as well