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2015 hoof rot elk?
« on: November 15, 2015, 12:32:56 AM »
  Hate to bring up the subject but I am curious as to how many harvested elk this year have had signs of hoof rot?
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Re: 2014 hoof rot elk?
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2015, 04:17:08 AM »
It's 2015 sled.   :chuckle:

Seen a few from the Winston on cell pics from 2014.  Muzzleloader bull.  Feet were missing. Just stinky nubs. 

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Re: 2015 hoof rot elk?
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2015, 08:22:38 AM »
Haha.  Fixed it thanks.

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Re: 2015 hoof rot elk?
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2015, 09:53:14 AM »
My (2) local herds outside of Skamokawa, (16) and (7) strong, are batting around 50% infected.

The (4) bulls this morning, in front of the house, all but (1) didn't have it. The big split G4 bull that's been around for the past 3-years finally got it this past year. He's been healthy before this year, so it's still not going away anytime soon.

It's absolutely horrible to watch them wither away, as well as seeing coyotes eat them alive. And the fact that I originally had only (1) cougar around and now have pictures of (3) !

Not sure when it's going to get better, but I hope it's soon.

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Re: 2015 hoof rot elk?
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2015, 04:33:32 PM »
Sorry for my ignorance but what causes hoof rot ?

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Re: 2015 hoof rot elk?
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2015, 04:36:43 PM »
Sorry for my ignorance but what causes hoof rot ?
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Re: 2015 hoof rot elk?
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2015, 04:52:27 PM »
It's been debated on here. 

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Re: 2015 hoof rot elk?
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2015, 09:50:32 PM »

Sorry for my ignorance but what causes hoof rot ?

Leptospirosis is one theory


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Re: 2015 hoof rot elk?
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2015, 09:53:36 PM »
Bacteria in the soil is a theory.
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Re: 2015 hoof rot elk?
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2015, 09:57:26 PM »
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Re: 2015 hoof rot elk?
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2015, 10:13:03 PM »
Herbicides containing 2,4-D
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Re: 2015 hoof rot elk?
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2015, 10:19:58 PM »
I maintain that it was the POTUS
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Re: 2015 hoof rot elk?
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2015, 10:40:10 PM »
Sorry for my ignorance but what causes hoof rot ?

http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/advisory/ehd/handouts_011415_EHD.pdf
Here is a start.  Go to Page 42 for a peer reviewed paper from the journal of Clinical Microbiology.  There are a few more peer reviewed papers out.  Not sure I can share based on membership rules and publishing rights and ect.   
Google Treponemes and Chronic Digital dermatitis in Ovines and Bovines.  Also try Hairy Warts in cows.

That will get you started if you are truly interested in what is believed to be the cause.  Understand that there is a lot still to be determined.  It is not known if Treponemes are the cause or another bacteria or something facilitates.  Keep in mind the livestock and dairy industry have been fighting Treponeme associated hoof problems for years.   While they can treat it they have not found a cure or a immunization for it. They can treat it.  Very labor intensive.  Also consider that most, exception is Saint Helens, appears to be with elk that spend a lot of time in agricultural areas.  Really not a natural behavior for elk.  Standing in fields that are treated with waste or in fields that are so wet the a good producer would not run cows on during winter is not good for elk as it is not good for live stock.   Elk behavioral ecology is to move about the landscape so predators have a harder time finding them. 

Leptospirosis has been ruled out yet is pushed by a few who with an agenda.  Best thing sports people can do is tell them to shut up or provide relevant information and protocol for investigating. Spraying has also been ruled out as a cause.  Does not mean the spraying does not have other affects that may cause problems at the population level.

And to end this hunters need to show that they are informed.  It is not HOOF ROT!  That is another disease that afflicts livestock.  Hunters need to learn that it is more accurate to say hoof deformity or hoof disease.

That said I still say horn or bone when technically they are antlers. 

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Re: 2015 hoof rot elk?
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2015, 11:11:40 PM »
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Re: 2015 hoof rot elk?
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2015, 06:44:22 AM »
My (2) local herds outside of Skamokawa, (16) and (7) strong, are batting around 50% infected.

The (4) bulls this morning, in front of the house, all but (1) didn't have it. The big split G4 bull that's been around for the past 3-years finally got it this past year. He's been healthy before this year, so it's still not going away anytime soon.

It's absolutely horrible to watch them wither away, as well as seeing coyotes eat them alive. And the fact that I originally had only (1) cougar around and now have pictures of (3) !

Not sure when it's going to get better, but I hope it's soon.

BA

I'm in Skamokawa, too, and my place has steadily declined in elk activity and sign over the past 2-3 years. I didn't get any animals crossing my place on their way between valleys during the hunting season so far this year, first year I can remember that that didn't happen. I don't think I've ever seen a group of elk around here for several years now that didn't have at least 20% or more of the animals affected.

 


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