Who is to blame

[NWTFhunter]

Cant blame George Bush for this...... falls right in the laps of the Dems !!

Oh and this was removed from the US youtube site, had to get it out of good ol Canada

eurl=http://www.resistnet.com/video/banned-on-america-youtube&feature=player_embedded

[bowhuntin]

Cant blame George Bush for this...... falls right in the laps of the Dems !!

Oh and this was removed from the US youtube site, had to get it out of good ol Canada

eurl=http://www.resistnet.com/video/banned-on-america-youtube&feature=player_embedded

Totally agree with you on that, the dems have to take the majority of blame for what happened. They are the ones that kept saying that everything was fine and didn't need any regulation. They will just deny all of it and point the finger at Bush though.

[300UltraMagShooter]

As if that wasn't bad enough, just look at the Dem's response to taking their responsibility for the war in Iraq.  Right after Vietnam, they went after a huge power grab and voted themselves more power (For You Liberals On Hunt WA That Would Be The War Powers Act).  So they basically tell the president that he can not go to war without their permission (which is not really constitutional in the first place).  So when Iraq roles around, they vote to send our troops to Iraq, but take zero responsibility when things turned for the worse.  Then, when it turns out that the CIA (which they gutted) had bad information on the WMD program, the cowards again blame it all on Bush.  Must be nice to live in their little, cowardly, sheltered world?   

[NWTFhunter]

I am very eagar to see how BO handles this withdrawl thing.....

You all remember him saying that he wants to withdraw troops.. right ?
I am sure they will come up with some sort of way of doing it.  And then when all hell brakes loose there again, what little troops are left as a contengent force are going to be wiped out.  They will sit on their butts, while things get completely out of controll !

[12Gauge]

Come on guys the Iraq war is all about crude oil supply and Iraq has the worlds #1 crude oil as far texture, cleanliness, ect.  We are never going to leave Iraq, just like John McCain said we will be there for the next 100 years.  Hear is how I got there,  our government just built a so called embassy in Iraq with a price tag of $750 Million, the US is trying to secure oil supply to our favor.

Didn't see that piece of news, I bet they cut it out/ did not air it.

[NWTFhunter]

Your right Lunatic.  But BO will downsize the forces there, and when the *censored* hits the fan there will not be enough troops to do a damn thing about it.

[12Gauge]

Your right Lunatic.  But BO will downsize the forces there, and when the *censored* hits the fan there will not be enough troops to do a damn thing about it.

I agree.  May have to go there for the third time, our forces that is, me just desert storm/shield.

[sisu]

Here is my answer.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n552gP9X40&feature=related[/youtube]

[300UltraMagShooter]

You know, when you guys talk about hunting, you all seem like rational and logical guys.  However, when you start talking about politics, you sound like your name.

Bush going to Iraq over the oil?  What have you been smoking?

Come on guys the Iraq war is all about crude oil supply and Iraq has the worlds #1 crude oil as far texture, cleanliness, ect.  We are never going to leave Iraq, just like John McCain said we will be there for the next 100 years.  Hear is how I got there,  our government just built a so called embassy in Iraq with a price tag of $750 Million, the US is trying to secure oil supply to our favor.

Didn't see that piece of news, I bet they cut it out/ did not air it.

[Al Bundy]

Bush going to Iraq over the oil?  What have you been smoking?

There is some truth to that. Iraq wanted to start trading oil in Euros instead of dollars. America's leaders *censored* a brick and decided it would be easier to invade and take over the oil fields and guarantee the worlds second largest reserves stayed trading in dollars. It wasn't as easy as they thought though.

As far as the video at the beginning of the thread, this can't be entirely blamed on Dems. It was the Regan\Bush1 Whitehouse that really pushed for deregulation. It filtered down to Fannie & Freddie and got worse over time. Yeah Clinton didn't do anything about it, neither did Congress. To blame only one party for the mess isn't right. 

[NWTFhunter]

Al, go to congress.org and search out the vote results for this. 

[12Gauge]

You know, when you guys talk about hunting, you all seem like rational and logical guys.  However, when you start talking about politics, you sound like your name.

Bush going to Iraq over the oil?  What have you been smoking?

Come on guys the Iraq war is all about crude oil supply and Iraq has the worlds #1 crude oil as far texture, cleanliness, ect.  We are never going to leave Iraq, just like John McCain said we will be there for the next 100 years.  Hear is how I got there,  our government just built a so called embassy in Iraq with a price tag of $750 Million, the US is trying to secure oil supply to our favor.

Didn't see that piece of news, I bet they cut it out/ did not air it.

Politics, no it is not politics, just common sense and experience.  Perhaps you should smoke some.   

I spent 8 months in Kuwait/southwest asia during desert storm/shield.  How about you? What did you do while we were securing Americas future oil?  We did not liberate Kuwait just for them to bomb us later.  Sadam Hussein burn over 600 oil wells or destroyed over 700 wells.  And we did not go there because we have a warm and kind heart.

If that was the case why have we not invaded Africa to save the millions of people who have been killed there.  Why you asked?  because Africa has nothing to offer the US, however the oil could keep this country moving for the next 20-30 years.  And think of the $$ that could be acquired.  Who was running the country in 2004 and what business were they in?  With Kuwait and Iraq under our control how much oil do you think we can get?
Although no politician will claim we went there for oil. 

You are correct though I am a lunatic and they, the government, medicates me to keep you safe. 

BO has a different strategy; forget the oil, use renewable energy.  He will pull us out and we will be back again.

[Bigshooter]

If we didn't go to Iraq and Iraq quit selling oil to the U.S.  Wouldn't that make people who were involved with oil in the U.S. more money.  More supply the lower the price.  Less supply the higher the price.

I don't think for a second we went there for oil.  It was a knee jerk reaction to 911.  And Iraq supposedly having wmd's.   

[300UltraMagShooter]

You are partially right.  It was in response to 911, but it was hardly knee jerk.  Any of you guys heard of the Iraq Liberation Act?  Guess what administration signed it?  It has been U.S. policy to remove Saddam for a long time.  911 just sealed the deal.  People please think for a second. 

Pretend that you are POTUS.  If after 911, you decide that infact that 911 was an act of war against the United States.  You see what just a few people can do with a few planes and you look around the world at countries trying to acquire nuclear weapons.  You think to yourself what would these people have done if they had had nukes instead of planes?  You are looking for the best ways to address the issue of terrorism.  Obviously you look at Afghanistan first, so you remove the Taliban from power.  In the beginning, it went well and Afghanistan which has the beginning of a democracy, so what do you do now?  You know that was a good start, but in no way does it finish the fight.  You look around the world and you figure out which countries are breeding and supporting terrorist (and trying to acquire nukes).  You see Iran, but there are really no options there.  You know that Iraq is part of the problem (see Axis of evil).  You also know that it is already the United States "official" policy to remove Saddam (See Iraq Liberation Act).  IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU  ARE POTUS?  There is a lot more to this than most uninformed people know.  Most are too sorry to look it up.  Many can judge Bush at the drop of a hat without ever really thinking about what they would have done differently.  Even if you would have handled it differently, no one will ever know if you would have made the right choice.  In my opinion, there were no easy answers, but thank God we had a president who had the courage to make tough decisions.

I can't believe it is 2009 and people still haven't bothered to look up the facts instead of just listening to their favorite biased commentators, especially considering it is such and important issue.  How many of you have actually read a book or two on the issue? 


P.S.  You sound like a crackpot when you mention going to war over oil?  What do you guys talk about in your spare time, aliens?

If we didn't go to Iraq and Iraq quit selling oil to the U.S.  Wouldn't that make people who were involved with oil in the U.S. more money.  More supply the lower the price.  Less supply the higher the price.

I don't think for a second we went there for oil.  It was a knee jerk reaction to 911.  And Iraq supposedly having wmd's.   

[Dmanmastertracker]

You know, when you guys talk about hunting, you all seem like rational and logical guys.  However, when you start talking about politics, you sound like your name.

Bush going to Iraq over the oil?  What have you been smoking?

Come on guys the Iraq war is all about crude oil supply and Iraq has the worlds #1 crude oil as far texture, cleanliness, ect.  We are never going to leave Iraq, just like John McCain said we will be there for the next 100 years.  Hear is how I got there,  our government just built a so called embassy in Iraq with a price tag of $750 Million, the US is trying to secure oil supply to our favor.

Didn't see that piece of news, I bet they cut it out/ did not air it.

Politics, no it is not politics, just common sense and experience.  Perhaps you should smoke some.   

I spent 8 months in Kuwait/southwest asia during desert storm/shield.  How about you? What did you do while we were securing Americas future oil?  We did not liberate Kuwait just for them to bomb us later.  Sadam Hussein burn over 600 oil wells or destroyed over 700 wells.  And we did not go there because we have a warm and kind heart.

If that was the case why have we not invaded Africa to save the millions of people who have been killed there.  Why you asked?  because Africa has nothing to offer the US, however the oil could keep this country moving for the next 20-30 years.  And think of the $$ that could be acquired.  Who was running the country in 2004 and what business were they in?  With Kuwait and Iraq under our control how much oil do you think we can get?
Although no politician will claim we went there for oil. 

You are correct though I am a lunatic and they, the government, medicates me to keep you safe. 

BO has a different strategy; forget the oil, use renewable energy.  He will pull us out and we will be back again.

  Anyone who spent 8 years over there has the best perspective of this issue in my book.

 I did study our envolvement in oil during this administration and prior, you bet your ass the first thing we did when we went in was secure the major pipeline and oil fields, then started immediately diverting Iraqui oil revenue into a slush fund to fund the war. We've spend billions in Iraqui oil revenue. Additionally, the GOV put the fund in the hand's of a contractor(?), who can no longer account for millions of dollars and has mis-spent millions more on pure, unnecessary crap, according to a Government audit. A lot of the money that was supposed to be spent on bringing the troops fresh drinking water was either mis-spent, or unaccounted for. The Dems didn't cause that mess, spin it however you want, facts are facts. Let us not forget Rummy, who was questioned outright in a troop briefing in Iraq why the troops had inadequate armor, years into the war. Again, Dems had nothing to do with that either. We should have left a token UN force in place the minute Saddam was jailed and turned majority control back to the Iraqui's, except for assistance with restructuring. This would have accomplished the goals and spared our economy additional strain it couldn't bare, now we will be paying higher taxes and Social Security will be completely gone in 20 years.