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OR Snowmobilers Use Heavy Equipment/Damage Forest Lands
« on: December 16, 2015, 08:39:28 AM »
They next time restrictions are put on snow mobiles or other recreational vehicles, look to your own ranks for the reasons why.

http://www.opb.org/news/article/snowmobile-clubs-damage-to-deschutes-trails/

"When Forest Service employees first stumbled upon the trail and road damage, they didn’t know who did it or why.

But they knew something was wrong.

Mile after mile of dirt trails and primitive roads west and south of Bend had been wrecked with heavy machinery. Trees were knocked over with roots attached. Culverts were smashed. Roads were widened to two or three times their original size. Some areas were stripped bare of vegetation and rocks. The debris was pushed into unkempt piles along the road.

The damage was so extensive that initially, forest trails supervisor Marv Lang suspected a rogue logging operation.

“But then I considered possible trail maintenance work by Snowbusters Snowmobile Club,” Lang wrote  in a law enforcement report obtained by OPB through a public records request.

His instincts were well placed.

A Forest Service investigation revealed that the Central Oregon Snowbusters were one of two snowmobile clubs responsible for nearly $200,000 worth of damage to 31 miles of Deschutes National Forest roads and trails in the summer of 2014. The four-month investigation determined that the La Pine Lodgepole Dodgers also did some of the damage under the auspices of trail maintenance that explicitly benefited snowmobile users. The heavy equipment rental was funded by state gas tax dollars.

As Congress considers whether to give volunteers an expanded role in trail maintenance on national forests, the incident serves as a warning that such efforts can go awry without proper agency oversight.

Volunteers Without Oversight
So how did it come about that volunteers were able to operate heavy machinery on public lands for five weeks, unsupervised and unnoticed? 

“This is one of those classic cases where simple miscommunication between two people led to completely different understandings of what was allowed,” said Kevin Larkin, district ranger for the Bend-Fort Rock Ranger District in the Deschutes National Forest.

The clubs had permission to perform light trail maintenance along snowmobile routes near the Cascade Lakes Highway and within the Newberry National Volcanic Monument. During a 2014 spring meeting, the volunteers told the Forest Service they wanted to increase maintenance that summer, Larkin said. 

“From that very short conversation, the clubs believed that they had approval to go ahead with work,” Larkin said. “And the Forest Service believed that that work was going to be what we would consider routine maintenance…taking care of limbs and portions of trees that are extending into snowmobile trail corridors.”
“No definition of trail maintenance includes smashing of culverts and knocking over trees.”

Erik Fernandez, Oregon Wild


The agency provided the clubs with detailed permits outlining what volunteers could do. Nothing in their permits allowed volunteers to use heavy equipment to knock down trees, move rocks and soil, or widen roads.

Wally Buckman, the volunteer responsible for most of the damage, later told the Forest Service he did not read the entire permit. Assuming he had sufficient go-ahead, Buckman left a message with the Forest Service and then began working on the trails with a 30,000-pound John Deere excavator.

The rented equipment used by the clubs was paid for by the Oregon State Snowmobile Association with state tax dollars. The association has an annual contract with the Oregon Department of Transportation for up to $1.3 million. Part of that money comes from the fuel tax paid by snowmobilers. The snowmobile association channels those dollars  to local clubs like the Snowbusters to pay for grooming and maintenance of 6,210 miles of trails statewide.

Over the course of five weeks, Buckman never heard from the agency, nor did he encounter Forest Service staff in the field.   

Buckman declined to speak to OPB. But he told the Forest Service, “he thought he was doing good stuff,” according to the agency report.

Peggy Spieger, executive director of the snowmobile association, agreed.

“There was no intent to destroy the land or do something the Forest Service did not want to have done,” Spieger said. “The intent was to make a better trail.”

But for some environmentalists, that explanation falls short.

“No definition of trail maintenance includes smashing of culverts and knocking over trees,” said Erik Fernandez, wilderness program manager for Oregon Wild. “They had a permit to be brushing, which is very light trail maintenance, and they ended up doing recreational bulldozing out there.”
Cost For Rehabilitation
The Forest Service did not discover the damage until weeks later. Because of the extent of the damage, the agency launched a law enforcement investigation. Resource specialists spent weeks assessing the impacts and developing rehabilitation plans, costing the agency an estimated $40,000 in staff time on top of the $200,000 on-the-ground damage cost, according to Larkin. In the end, the Forest Service decided not to pursue criminal or civil charges against the snowmobile volunteers.

“What we realized is that there was not malicious intent,” Larkin said. “Everybody involved thought that they were doing the right thing for the right reasons and within the bounds of their authority.” He views the responsibility as shared between the clubs and his staff.
“The intent was to make a better trail.”

Peggy Spieger, Oregon State Snowmobile Association


The final tab of $200,000 in damages is hefty, considering that the Deschutes National Forest has an annual maintenance budget of roughly $70,000 for trails and $400,000 for roads. Larkin expects rehabilitation work to be funded at least in part from those budgets. So far, Larkin has asked the statewide snowmobile association to contribute about $35,000 toward critical restoration costs.

Environmental groups like Oregon Wild don’t think it’s right for agency dollars to go toward fixing the damage.

“Those funds would otherwise have gone into improving hiking trails and mountain biking trails and campgrounds. Instead, it’s going toward cleaning up a mess,” Fernandez said.

Groups like Oregon Wild and Forest Service Employees for Environmental Ethics see the incident as symptomatic of a broader problem: Land agencies don’t have adequate funding to manage recreation programs, including those that rely on volunteers.

“We’re not making the investments in our trails and recreation on the national forest that’s commensurate with the public use,” said Andy Stahl, executive director of Forest Service Employees for Environmental Ethics, a national watchdog organization. “Relying on volunteers, as well-intentioned as they are, doesn’t always yield good results.”

The consequences of this incident could be long-lasting. They could include road and trail erosion, soil displacement, potential introduction of invasive species and disturbance at archaeological sites.

The snowmobile groups, for their part, would like to quietly move past the incident.

“From our perspective, it’s not news-worthy. We did some resource damage, and we worked it out with the Forest Service to their satisfaction. We got our hands slapped and we’re all moving on,” Spieger said.

As the Deschutes National Forest works to repair the damage from this incident, Congress is considering legislation that would double the number of volunteers on national forests. The National Forest System Trails Stewardship Act would make it easier for agencies to increase volunteer trail maintenance, but the bill doesn’t include funding to increase agency oversight.

U.S. Rep. Greg Walden, R-Ore., became a co-sponsor of the bill last summer, pointing to the thousands of miles of trails nationwide that are unmaintained.

“We don’t have the resources at the federal level to maintain these trails. And yet there’s a group of volunteers out there willing to do the work,” Walden told OPB.
READ MORE: Volunteers already devote thousands of hours to Northwest forests every year. The 2014 damage in the Deschutes seems to be an anomaly.

For budget-strapped agencies, these unpaid workers are critical. Many national forests in Oregon have no funding for winter grooming; without volunteers, there would be few groomed trails in the state.

“That partnership is too valuable to the citizens of Oregon to just throw it out with the bathwater,” Larkin said, referring to the generally successful volunteer programs in the Deschutes National Forest.

The association’s snowmobile clubs maintain trails on national forests across the state.

“We groom and maintain a whale of a trail system throughout the state on Forest Service land,” Spieger said. “And our trail system benefits all winter recreationists,” she emphasized.   

In response to the recent damage, Larkin’s staff updated the agreements that outline the responsibilities of the club and provide protocol for communications between volunteers and agency supervisors.

“We want to make sure that we have a system in place that prevents this from ever happening again.”

Kevin Larkin, Deschutes National Forest District Ranger


He is not restricting the volunteers responsible for the damage from future trail work. Groomers have already begun winter trail maintenance. Next summer, they’ll be allowed to work on the trails and roads again, although Larkin said Forest Service staff will be more vigilant about oversight going forward.

“It’s not as simple as welcoming a volunteer through the door, handing that person a shovel and saying, ‘Go do good work,” Larkin said. “There’s direction, guidance and attention that’s needed. We fell down on that in this particular instance.”"
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Re: OR Snowmobilers Use Heavy Equipment/Damage Forest Lands
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2015, 12:48:17 PM »
Doesn't smell right to me....
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Re: OR Snowmobilers Use Heavy Equipment/Damage Forest Lands
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2015, 01:03:48 PM »
The guy with the equipment admitted to doing it and to not reading the whole agreement they signed which stipulated what sorts of "improvements" could be made. In light of that, what exactly is it that doesn't smell right? To me, I could care less about his intent. He should have to repay the taxpayer money used to rent the heavy equipment and pay restitution to the state for damages.  :dunno:
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Re: OR Snowmobilers Use Heavy Equipment/Damage Forest Lands
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2015, 01:14:07 PM »
Seems like they are singling out this group unfairly. 

Now, before that gets anyone's hackles up to far, I've seen how well DNR or the forest service cleans up after a logging operation.   >:(

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“No definition of trail maintenance includes smashing of culverts and knocking over trees,” said Erik Fernandez, wilderness program manager for Oregon Wild. “They had a permit to be brushing, which is very light trail maintenance, and they ended up doing recreational bulldozing out there.”

Oregon Wild appears to be a greenie group.  They have their agenda.  No one was trying to smash culverts.

Another example of far reaching..

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The consequences of this incident could be long-lasting. They could include road and trail erosion, soil displacement, potential introduction of invasive species and disturbance at archaeological sites.

Seems to me this is more logical.

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“From our perspective, it’s not news-worthy. We did some resource damage, and we worked it out with the Forest Service to their satisfaction. We got our hands slapped and we’re all moving on,” Spieger said.


In short, I disagree with you P-man and I don't snowmobile.
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Re: OR Snowmobilers Use Heavy Equipment/Damage Forest Lands
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2015, 01:16:56 PM »
I'm unsure with what you're disagreeing. You don't think they did this? Or you don't think what they did is a big deal? The only person who says it isn't news worthy is the guy who did the damage to the state forest. I'm just reporting an article.
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Re: OR Snowmobilers Use Heavy Equipment/Damage Forest Lands
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2015, 01:18:51 PM »
Oregon Wild is like Conservation Northwest

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Re: OR Snowmobilers Use Heavy Equipment/Damage Forest Lands
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2015, 01:27:15 PM »
Sounded like a private contract with the Forest Service, to de-commision a logging road..We see how much rape and pillage the FS does to OUR lands and nothing is done or said about it..
I couldn't care less about what anybody says..............

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Re: OR Snowmobilers Use Heavy Equipment/Damage Forest Lands
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2015, 01:28:21 PM »
Oregon Wild is like Conservation Northwest

I understand that. But it's not Oregon Wild which investigated this. It was the state of OR. So... :dunno:
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Re: OR Snowmobilers Use Heavy Equipment/Damage Forest Lands
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2015, 01:42:25 PM »
Dont think its a big deal. The colverts need fixed for erosion purposes. Everything else will grow back naturally. Why throw another $200k down the drain?  Anyone have pictures of this damage? It would help if it was put into perspective.

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Re: OR Snowmobilers Use Heavy Equipment/Damage Forest Lands
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2015, 01:57:20 PM »
Are you guys all of the opinion that we should be able to take heavy equipment up into the forests and do what we want to enhance our own hobbies? This is very interesting to me.
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Re: OR Snowmobilers Use Heavy Equipment/Damage Forest Lands
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2015, 02:05:53 PM »
Are you guys all of the opinion that we should be able to take heavy equipment up into the forests and do what we want to enhance our own hobbies? This is very interesting to me.
Depends on how it is done (like what the engineering calls for).  I would have no issue with people volunteering to grade roads, repair bridges, replacing culverts, etc.  Wouldn't be opposed to volunteer thinning where the FS has made it too costly/regulated to attract loggers to cut.  I see a difference in keeping the existing roads vs making new ones.

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« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2015, 02:12:23 PM »
Seems to me that the State Feds bear the preponderance of the responsibility in this. I say this because I would have to think that whenever a project is being submitted for review that it would be assigned a supervising official (SO). This SO would be responsible to work with whatever group leader, contractor or volunteer, to ensure that the government property and interests are protected. The SO would also be responsible to walk the project with other leads to ensure all parties are on the same page in order to avoid issues like this. SO would also be required to do a periodic walk through and keep proper reports on the project.  If manning is such an issue for these agencies then volunteers could very well relieve some of their pressure when it comes to grunt work. But this would not relieve the agency of their oversight responsibility. Seems like basic project management.  :twocents:
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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2015, 02:15:43 PM »
The FS generally doesn't approve of anyone "walking" off the trail.  Now imagine an excavator driving off to the side of it...... yea elements inside the agency freak. 

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Re: OR Snowmobilers Use Heavy Equipment/Damage Forest Lands
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2015, 02:19:33 PM »
The contract laid out the responsibilities of the guy doing the work. He says he didn't read them. I have a really hard time believing that, but even if he's telling the truth, ignorance is never an excuse. Is the state responsible for making sure I understand the driving laws before they can write me a ticket? He went way outside the parameters set by the contract that he signed.
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Re: OR Snowmobilers Use Heavy Equipment/Damage Forest Lands
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2015, 02:21:56 PM »
I know nothing about this, but I would not be in the least little bit surprised if the 'culvert damage' was a rock rolling across the end of one of the culverts and bending it up.

 


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