short mag

[Karl Blanchard]

Never understood why the 7 never gained traction.  All the benefits of a short mag combined with high B.C. bullets should have made for a winner.

Easily one of my favorite cartridges....no doubt my next rifle will be in 7 short

  finding brass would be my only concern but then again I don't really watch for that particular item so maybe it's readily available.  I know 300wsm is a pain to track down

I don't reload but save my brass. Next time I see you I'll have some 300 wsm for you to stoke up and kill stuff with. If you want it sooner I can mail it.

  You are my new hero shootem!!!!!

[jasnt]

I want to build a 6wsm that would push the 110hybrid pretty good

[jjhunter]

I shoot a 7 wsm.  It is a great round with really any bullet combo.  I shoot the heavies and it is my go to hunting weapon of choice.

Brass is a real pain.  If you build one, chamber in 7-300 wsm.  There are a lot more options for attaining quality brass.

[BigGoonTuna]

i just never got the whole short vs long action thing.  people talk about it like it makes a huge difference.  wow, you save a whole 1/4 inch of receiver length.  yippee.

the shorter powder column thing makes sense in my mind, but i don't really have a dog in this fight.  i did just pick up a 1965 remington 700 BDL in .264 in a pawn shop though...

[Biggerhammer]

im kinda curious why some people prefer short mags such as a .270wsm over just a regular old .270. Is there any real advantage to having a short mag? ballistics wise?

Seeing the .270 WSM is about 200 fps faster than the .270 Win with the same bullet. Yes there's a huge difference. Speed matter just as much at point blank as it does at 400 yards or beyond. I've killed 3 mule deer with the .270 WSM and Accubonds.

[Karl Blanchard]

i just never got the whole short vs long action thing.  people talk about it like it makes a huge difference.  wow, you save a whole 1/4 inch of receiver length.  yippee.

the shorter powder column thing makes sense in my mind, but i don't really have a dog in this fight.  i did just pick up a 1965 remington 700 BDL in .264 in a pawn shop though...

For me it was a no brainer.  Magnum performance in a gun that is a full half pound lighter.  People boohoo a mere half pound but I tell you what, when your 8 miles into the Idaho wilderness with a full boned out deer AND your camp riding on your back, you're dang glad you're not carrying that extra half pound.  Ounces make pounds and pounds make pain.

[bobcat]

The thing is for me, I don't want a lighter rifle with a magnum cartridge. My rifle is a Browning A bolt in 270 Win and it's the perfect weight, in my opinion. If I were to go to a 270 WSM, I'd only be looking at rifles that weigh more than my A bolt. A lighter rifle, same bullet but at higher velocity, equals more recoil, and that I'm not interested in. So in my opinion, the short action is not really a benefit to going with a short mag. The main reason I like the short mags over the standard magnum cartridges is that they don't have the belt.

[theleo]

Short mags can beat their magnum counter parts in shorter barrels, the longer barrels will give the advantage to the standard magnums though and you'd need to be really considerate about what powder you use to play the performance game. Another way to look at WSM"s is that you are able to Ackley performance from a factory round in a short action (280AI=7mm WSM, 270AI=270WSM, 30-06AI=300 WSM). The WSM's still have a bit of a speed advantage but it's still a fairly close comparison. The 300 WSM is actually really close to the old 300 H&H for performance.   

[bobcat]

theleo-

Well that's pretty much exactly what I said in my posts last night in this thread, regarding velocities and barrel length, but I was told I was wrong.

[jasnt]

I shoot a 7 wsm.  It is a great round with really any bullet combo.  I shoot the heavies and it is my go to hunting weapon of choice.

Brass is a real pain.  If you build one, chamber in 7-300 wsm.  There are a lot more options for attaining quality brass.

i was thinking of necking down the 270wsm for brass

[Bob33]

The thing is for me, I don't want a lighter rifle with a magnum cartridge. My rifle is a Browning A bolt in 270 Win and it's the perfect weight, in my opinion. If I were to go to a 270 WSM, I'd only be looking at rifles that weigh more than my A bolt. A lighter rifle, same bullet but at higher velocity, equals more recoil, and that I'm not interested in. So in my opinion, the short action is not really a benefit to going with a short mag. The main reason I like the short mags over the standard magnum cartridges is that they don't have the belt.

A WSM can get more velocity out of less powder with a short fat case than a longer, narrower case.

The 300 WSM gets equivalent velocities to a 300 Win Mag with several grains less powder. Less powder, less recoil.

I have a Browning X Bolt in 300 WSM with a very light scope; total weight is a wee bit over 7 pounds. I'm an admitted recoil wimp, and I can shoot it without problems. Even my 14 year old son can shoot it. It's not as punishing as a 300 Win Mag, everything else being equal.

[Magnum_Willys]

The .325 WSM is a sweet packing rifle.  Have it in Browning X-bolt - but it kicks like a mule.   Check out the first and last lines in this recoil chart.   The first column is rifle weight the second column is recoil.  Can confirm it does kick harder than my .338 Win Mag.

 

[BULLBLASTER]

I like my long action magnums. Never really gave the wsm cartridges a second thought. But then again I'm over 5-10. So I can handle a long action magnum just fine 
Joking aside I think it's just another option. And in guns and hunting options are never a bad thing. Wsm will kill as well as any long action cartridge magnum or not.

[theleo]

theleo-

Well that's pretty much exactly what I said in my posts last night in this thread, regarding velocities and barrel length, but I was told I was wrong.

I've had internet experts say you can't kill elk with anything less than 300 win mag and the best way to call bulls is to sound like the biggest baddest bull on the block. I have yet to ever own a win mag and have never made bugles more ominous than a 3 year old bull. Yet I've killed bulls with my 280ai and killed them with a bow when they were looking to stomp a younger bull.

Those that say we are wrong about WSM's and their belted counter parts aren't considering burn rates of powders. If you loaded a 300 win mag to the gills with H1000 (a slow burning magnum )to get a little over 3100fps (per nosler) it'll beat a 300 WSM out of a 24" apples to apples. Cut that barrel back to a 20" and you could likely see a velocity loss in the neighborhood of 300fps for the win mag while the 300 WSM would see something along the lines of 200 fps loss because the quicker burning powder it uses gets up to pressure faster. It's a hand loading game but I bet it translates into factory rounds as well because I have a hard time seeing the factories load 300 win mag rounds to work best out of shorter barrels where the WSM's are normally had in shorter lighter rifles. 

[coachcw]

Bobcat I'm not sure if you have shot any 300 wsm s but I have shot a half dozen or so , the lightest being a tika t3 running 180s . all of them recoil less than any 300wm or 7mm mag I have shot . I have shot 30/06 and 270 wins that recoil worse . note all the wsms have had synthetic stocks so maybe its a wood thing but they have been dreams to shoot . I have only shot one 270wsm and it was very tame .