Savora at the ATA 2016

[RadSav]

Newbie questions, is Sims the same as Limbsaver and located in Shelton? If so, are they a complimentary market of Savora?

Same Sims. 

Not sure I understand the second part of that question.  If your asking whether Sims sells RAD/Savora products, they do not.  The only bow companies we have a business relationship with would be PSE, Bowtech, Winchester and Bear.  MLB, Whackmaster and myself have shot plenty of animals with Sims bows over the years.  I have also come to really enjoy their firearm accessories too.  Good people/Good products.

[browney5er]

Rad, D-rock someone tell me, I've been waiting for this post since October when D-rock posted about the new pse Carbon air. It sounds like you checked out everything but. I'm just curious if you weren't impressed or didn't get a chance to shoot it, I would just like to here what you guys thought of it.

[RadSav]

Rad, D-rock someone tell me, I've been waiting for this post since October when D-rock posted about the new pse Carbon air. It sounds like you checked out everything but. I'm just curious if you weren't impressed or didn't get a chance to shoot it, I would just like to here what you guys thought of it.

I'm not sure if D-Rock shot that bow or not.  I do know that MLB and I did/have.  As for myself I have been growing more and more impressed with PSE's HD cam.  It may very well be my favorite cam on the market right now.  I have not shot the CarbonAir indoors, only outdoors in a little bit of wind.  I thought it was impressively quiet.  I was shocked when MLB told me he thought it was a little loud when he shot it at the ATA.  That could be the difference between indoor/outdoor, arrow weight differences or bow tuning. I expect MLB shot it a few inches longer in draw length so that could be the noise difference as well.  

The Carbon Air comes in draw lengths of 24.5 to 30.5".  MLB shoots 31" draw length so I expect it may have been a little uncomfortable for him.  I shoot 28.5" and the bow I shot was set at 29".  To me it felt as though the marks were right on.  My weight came back on my right foot ever so slightly, but I could have shot it there and not felt uncomfortable at all.  I think that also says a lot about that cam.  When I shoot 1/2" too long in Bear (hybrid), Hoyt, Elite or Prime it is very difficult to make uphill and down hill shots without thinking about my adjustments.  Not so with the HD cam.  Very much like the best of my single cams in that regard.

I liked the bow quite a bit.  IMO the bow is too light for a large bow quiver.  So that is something to think about.  And usually with light weight bows I find a longer and heavier stabilizer is a must.  I shot it with my 11" Modular stabilizer from Sims and it was just about perfect with no quiver on it.  When my bow arrives I will play with offsetting the stabilizer some hoping to find a sweet spot.

As with all PSE bows the grip is darn near perfect.  To me that has always been the area where PSE has separated themselves from the rest of the pack.  The CarbonAir was no exception to this.  At full draw it finds the crease between the thumb and palm as if made just for my goofy hand.  The carbon finish is smooth, warm and very comfortable.  And the grip/riser itself is very pleasing cosmetically.  It looks so much better in your hand than it does in pictures it's shocking.  It really is a nice looking bow!

At 32" A2A it fits into a size I don't mind.  I'm not sure D-Rock or MLB will think the same.  Obviously it is way too short for MLB's long draw length.  And I expect D-Rock, even though it would fit his 27" draw length perfectly, will not be jumping for joy just because of his strong target shooting roots.  The HD cam does a pretty good job of making the bow feel longer at full draw than it's 32" A2A would make you think.  It's still 6.125" in brace height which is a serious bummer.  And while I do like cable slides better than rollers, most of the time, I did feel as though the bow was too short for a slide offset that far.  There was definitely some noticeable system torque at full draw.  Something similar to Hoyts new cable guard would really lend itself well to the CarbonAir.  Hopefully we will see this area improve in future years.

When I held the bow for the first time I expected the feel at shot to be disappointing because of the weight.  Lightweight bows just can not compete with heavier bows in shot feel.  And while that held true, I was really surprised it wasn't worse!  Not sure if that says more about the PSE limb, the HD cam or the foam filled riser.  Maybe a combination of all three.   The engineer in me wants to contribute that to a fun new technology in building risers.  But that could just be marketing hype getting the best of me.  Either way I was left impressed how well it felt...for a 3.2# bow!

Then the bigger question comes into play - Is it really worth $500-600 more than the Decree HD?  For the extreme back country hunter - that is debatable.  For your average western bowhunter not caught up in being the coolest kid on the block - I doubt it.  For the stand hunter - absolutely not.  For serious lady hunters that get out and pound the hills - I think the CarbonAir just may be worth every penny.

In my personal opinion the Decree HD is PSE's cream of the crop.  The short, lightweight and super cool CarbonAir doesn't challenge the Decree HD at all in this regard.  But as PSE's second carbon bow in something like 25 years, I think it is a winner.  If you find yourself refinancing the mortgage, realizing the kids aren't college material or you've won the Powerball I wouldn't blame you for buying one.  It's a fun enough bow to shoot that I had to put myself on the list!

[D-Rock425]

I looked at way more things at last year's show because I was a little overwhelmed by the whole experience.  This year I stuck to the booth a bit more. 

[RadSav]

I tried to get the guys out more.  Wanted to make sure it was fun for them and not just work.  But both D-Rock and MLB came to work their behinds off.  I think they just wanted me to feel guilty for being a slave driver

I get away so little anymore that having guys I trust get out and look the show over is important.  We not only need to see what our customers want and need, but we need to see what the competition is and what is creating a buzz.  Hard to do that from the booth.  I have come to respect D-Rock and MLB for their ability to see things from the business side as well as the archer's side.  What a blessing they have been.  I hope our relationships can continue to progress the way they have.  Though I assume after a while they will begin to get tired of hearing all the same stories that Del and I tell.  Even the embarrassing ones that come up after too many Kentucky Bourbon Barrel beers'.

[D-Rock425]

Miss Vail pled guilty in her brown bear case.

[MLBowhunting]

I shot the new PSE Carbon and thought it was a nice and smooth shooter.  PSE had the shooting lane in a back corner and maybe I was hearing the echo from the bow but it is a nice shooting bow for sure.  I also shot the Hoyt Defiant 34 Carbon and loved that bow.  Smooth and quiet and seemedvery balanced in my hand. 

[browney5er]

Thanks for the feedback guys, much appreciated.

[haus]

Radsav did you get to shoot the APA's at all? Interested in the mamba 36, but I don't think we have an APA dealer in our state.

[RadSav]

Radsav did you get to shoot the APA's at all? Interested in the mamba 36, but I don't think we have an APA dealer in our state.

MLB did.  Not sure what he thought other than he was surprised with all the attached gadgetry.

I no longer waste my time shooting bows with that limb.  I know I don't like it and I have too little time.  Doesn't mean it's not good.  It's just not my thing.  Hopefully MLB will come back and give you his take.

[MLBowhunting]

I actually shot the Mamba 36.  I like a longer axle to axle bow myself, the bow weighs just under four pounds, it had a good feel to it, solid wall and was surprised how it shot.  The bow was nice butall the other gadgets on it makes it a little different.   Not a bad bow at all. 

[RadSav]

Rad, D-rock someone tell me, I've been waiting for this post since October when D-rock posted about the new pse Carbon air. It sounds like you checked out everything but. I'm just curious if you weren't impressed or didn't get a chance to shoot it, I would just like to here what you guys thought of it.

I put a little more into shooting this bow lately.  There was something I wasn't liking and had to figure out what it was.  It came down to two things - Grip width and stabilizer weight.  I moved all three modules on my stabilizer to the end instead of the "one short/two long" I usually shoot it at.  That made quite a difference for the better.  I also find the grip a little wider in the throat area than most PSE bows.  Not a bad thing, but with my hand it wasn't the usually comfort PSE is for me.

This bow is rapidly growing on me!  I'm not normally a bridge riser fan.  But on this bow it's so far from the hand it still carries well and doesn't interfere with anything.  Much better than the Alpine, Hoyt or Martin bridged risers IMO.  If it had Hoyts new cable guard I think it would be darn near flawless.  Hard for me to forget how perfect the Decree HD is, but I'm beginning to like the CarbonAir darn near as much.

I'm going to mix up the accessories on it and play some more.  Planning on getting a Sims NavCom filled Carbon LS Target stabilizer and adding modules to the end until I hit the perfect weight.  I've had a carbon Accutouch sight laying around for a year.  Will try putting that on.  My new RipCord arrow rests just showed up today.  And after the next show I'll make some new Fury threads for it so she looks extra cool!  I can put some distance between me and the target after that.  Then we'll get a better idea of what she can do.

Even if it ends up taking back seat to either the Bear or the Decree come hunting season it has been a lot of fun!

BTW - I stopped in at Archery World, Vancouver yesterday and they have a camo one in stock!

[D-Rock425]

I really wish hoyt wasn't 60-90 days out on a black riser I really wanted to see Rad with a hoyt in his hand.

[D-Rock425]

I bet a green Hyperedge is 60 to 90 days out or more too.

[RadSav]

I really wish hoyt wasn't 60-90 days out on a black riser I really wanted to see Rad with a hoyt in his hand.

I probably have some pictures from the late 80's early 90's you can look at!