I'm not sure if this has been talked about, probably has, but since I'm new, I will bring it up again. I liked my odds of dwg one of these "once in a lifetime" permits much better back when you had to put your money in upfront. If I remember correctly my odds were about 1 in 1000 vs 1 in 10,000 now. I realize the state is making a lot more money now with the $5 from each of the extra applicants and the elimination of the cost to process and send money back to the non winners, but many states still ask for the money upfront and they are doing just fine.