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cheap scope failure up for ideas
« on: February 11, 2016, 07:59:38 AM »
I have a Ruger m77 in .308  When I bought it I was short on cash and ended up with a "Shooters Choice" Chinese cheapo scope.  I knew it was garbage but I rarely shoot over 100 yards when hunting so I just thought I was making do until the a better scope was in the budget.  I have already replaced the scope but wanted so feedback on what failed because I am still scratching my head.

Scope was mount and lasersited, Loctite on the screws everything is tight.

Zeroed at 2" high at 100 yards and produced several groups between 1 1/4 and 3/4 an inch.  Not wonderful but expectable.  I always blamed the results on myself

2 months later re shoot for upcoming season.  Same results about a 1" group 2 inches high

Deer season comes, there is a nice little buck nothing to get excited over at 75 yards, bullet lands in the dirt at behind is front feet.  He was dumb and I had a 2nd check that was dead on, deer falls over.  I blamed in on buck fever even though I have shot many deer over the last 30 years and this was just a little freezer filler buck.

Shot it a month later and the gun would not group at all.  At 100 yards and a bench I get shots at 6" high 12" low and right ect.  I blame myself again, hand rifle to son.  Same results.

Laser site again shows dead on back to the range with the same random results of high, low, right and left all off a bench.  No mater what adjustments we made to the windage it did not seam to matter.

I put a new Redfield US made 3x9 and she shoots perfect with a 3/4" group so I know its not the gun or the shooter now.

It does not matter now, but I lay awake at night trying to figure out what was wrong with it.  Broken crosshairs?  I have no idea.  The scope only had 200 rounds down range, and a .308 does not give a lot of recoil.  I am at a loss

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Re: cheap scope failure up for ideas
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2016, 08:11:09 AM »
Cheap scopes have lesser than desired internal components. Cheap scope = Cheap scope!!
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Re: cheap scope failure up for ideas
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2016, 08:19:38 AM »
10-4 Jason totally agree.  But if it was a VW it would have lied about its mileage :chuckle:

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Re: cheap scope failure up for ideas
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2016, 08:34:40 AM »
First of all, I am glad you replaced it  :tup:

With some piece of junk like that, who knows.  Like Jason said, the internal components/reticle could be bouncing around.
Kindly do not attempt to cloud the issue with too many facts.

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Re: cheap scope failure up for ideas
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2016, 03:15:42 PM »
could have been a loose mount ?

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Re: cheap scope failure up for ideas
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2016, 03:30:12 PM »
could have been a loose mount ?


Scope was mount and lasersited, Loctite on the screws everything is tight.


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Re: cheap scope failure up for ideas
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2016, 03:34:10 PM »
Spend as much or more on the scope than the gun, never use less than a nikon or leopold!
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Re: cheap scope failure up for ideas
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2016, 04:00:52 PM »
the mechanisim that  moves and locks the cross hairs is likely crap.
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Re: cheap scope failure up for ideas
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2016, 05:05:49 PM »
Dont over look the possibility of  over tightening either......there are inch lb torque specs for scopes and guys that just reef them down with out knowing how much, can sometimes over tighten to the point of things binding, not tracking, and coming apart......a friend I shoot with can verify that, and he now has an inch lb driver for scopes.

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Re: cheap scope failure up for ideas
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2016, 05:18:46 PM »
Spend as much or more on the scope than the gun, never use less than a nikon or leopold!

You can get some darn fine Leupolds for $300-$400 right now. VX3 cds.

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Re: cheap scope failure up for ideas
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2016, 05:29:00 PM »
I have a couple pretty spendy scopes, for the money, Nikon is hard to beat! You can get a dang nice scope for 300- 400 range.
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Re: cheap scope failure up for ideas
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2016, 05:42:00 PM »
I have a couple pretty spendy scopes, for the money, Nikon is hard to beat! You can get a dang nice scope for 300- 400 range.
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Re: cheap scope failure up for ideas
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2016, 10:24:44 AM »
Thanks for the feedback guys.  I used a torque screw driver set so it was not over tighten.  Just junk I guess.  Mute point now, I by no mean am the best shot in the world, or a gunsmith, but I love the mechanics of shooting.  I will just call it junk.

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Re: cheap scope failure up for ideas
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2016, 03:21:52 PM »
I'm sitting on better than 50 scopes right now.  I have scattered a BUNCH of scopes from a bunch of makers. I'm a firm believer in having a known good backup scope incase the rifle eats one. Last year I chased my tail on a rifle that I built over a cracked scope ring......a brand known to not give up......everything had its day.

 


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