Multi season tags

[Skillet]

You are correct emac.  8500 permits it is.   Talked to wdfw today and they acknowledged there was a problem with the deer draw.  Everyone that purchased their multi season deer that did not get drawn is automatically receiving an extra bonus point for the year to compensate for the problem.  Total applications this year exceeded 8700, so, there should only be 2.29 % that did not get drawn, not 2.29 that did.

If this is true then I'm going to be really mad. What complete BS. If there was a problem they should have squared it away before posting results. What good is an extra point in a draw that should almost be a 100% draw?

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An extra point for next year?  Instead of selling a $139 permit this year?  That's not the WDFW I know. 
I don't know where you got your "2.29% that did" draw numbers whilstlers, maybe just an exaggeration.     But I find it very hard to believe they're going to send roughly 95% of the applicants packing without lightening their wallets by $139, one way or another.

[DaveMonti]

If you are drawn, you then have the option of purchasing the multi-season tag, which is $139, in addition to the cost of your regular deer license.

And yes, if you are drawn you lose your points.

I've hunted my whole life, but have just started hunting in WA a few years ago after being in WA for a few years.  I didn't start hunting in WA immediate because this state is so screwed up with all the regulations, drawings, points, multiple seasons, rules for each individual game unit, and a myriad of ways the state extracts money from you. 
From what I now understand, based on Jimmy Hoffa says below, people get drawn (I'm assuming they pay to be in the drawing) and can choose to spend $139 for the right to hunt the General Season.  If they decide NOT to purchase the license, others who applied for the license but did NOT get drawn can buy the license (what about people that did not enter the drawing in the first place?).  Not only that, but if you are drawn, you lose your points even if you decide not to buy the multi season permit.

Why do people NOT buy when they get drawn? 

I'll stick to hunting in Montana. 

[JimmyHoffa]

Why do people NOT buy when they get drawn? 

I'll stick to hunting in Montana.

They like to wait until after the big draw.  They might draw a quality bull/buck permit and just decide to put all the effort to that.  But if they don't get the other permits, have the multi tag to boost their odds.

[DaveMonti]

I thought that if they drew the multi season tag, they had no points left over for the quality hunt permits.

I need to hire a consultant to figure this out. 

[JimmyHoffa]

You just burn the multi points.  You get points in each category--quality/bull/antlerless/buck/65+/moose/goat/spring bear/etc.  You can buy applications for lots of categories.

[iflyils]

Feeling lucky. Drew spring bear now both deer and elk multi season 3 for 3.  Batting better than the Ms!   


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[DaveMonti]

Thanks for your patience and explanations JimmyHoffa!

[WAnoob]

I drew for deer, my first time applying for this permit only hunted Washington for one year last year.  Excited to have more hunting time this year with a muzzle loader and try something different. 

[Bob33]

I thought that if they drew the multi season tag, they had no points left over for the quality hunt permits.

I need to hire a consultant to figure this out.

Points for multi-season permits (not tags) are a separate point category. There are an additional eight deer permit categories: Quality, Buck, Antlerless, Second Deer, Youth, Deer Hunter 65 and Over, Deer Hunter with Disabilities, and Master Hunter. Each of the eight categories is a separate pool of points. You may apply in all of them in which you are eligible. If you are drawn, your points in that category reset to zero but have no effect on other point categories.

You do not need to have a special permit to hunt. You can hunt general seasons with an over-the-counter license and tag. If you do not have a multi-season PERMIT you must specify your choice of weapon: Archery, Modern, and Muzzleloader. You may only hunt the seasons that match the weapon choice of your tag, unless you have a multi-season permit.

The drawing for the eight categories of special permits occurs in the April-May timeframe each year. The application deadline this year is May 18. In order to apply, you must purchase a hunting license and specify a weapon choice for your tag.

If you were drawn for a multi-season permit, you have until August 1 to purchase it. If you purchase it prior to May 18 you may apply for special permits applicable to all three weapon choices: archery, modern, and muzzleloader.

If you were drawn for the multi-season permit, you do not need to purchase it. If you purchase it prior to August 1 you can hunt the general seasons for all three weapon choices. If you do not purchase it, you may only hunt the general seasons that match your tag's weapon designation and any season(s) associated with a special permit(s) from the eight categories that you may have drawn.

Since there have recently been more applications for multi-season permits than permits available, and some who draw do not purchase them, the unpurchased permits go on sale on a first-come, first-serve basis later in the summer.

[DaveMonti]

Thank you Bob33!  That makes it a bit clearer in my mind.

I do understand the "permit vs. tag" issue, I tend to mix the two words up. 

I am amazed at how specific the point system is for the special permits.  Just crazy.  When all is said and done, I expect that the price to hunt here in WA with a special permit or a multi season (or both) is approaching that of the non-resident deer tag in many other states. 

Best of luck to everyone in their respective drawings!

[fishnfur]

You are correct emac.  8500 permits it is.   Talked to wdfw today and they acknowledged there was a problem with the deer draw.  Everyone that purchased their multi season deer that did not get drawn is automatically receiving an extra bonus point for the year to compensate for the problem.  Total applications this year exceeded 8700, so, there should only be 2.29 % that did not get drawn, not 2.29 that did.

If this is true then I'm going to be really mad. What complete BS. If there was a problem they should have squared it away before posting results. What good is an extra point in a draw that should almost be a 100% draw?

An extra point for next year?  Instead of selling a $139 permit this year?  That's not the WDFW I know. 
I don't know where you got your "2.29% that did" draw numbers whilstlers, maybe just an exaggeration.     But I find it very hard to believe they're going to send roughly 95% of the applicants packing without lightening their wallets by $139, one way or another.

This conversation torqued me off when I first read it.  I don't want the second point, I just want the MS tag.   Once it settled into my squash a bit, me thinks that WDFW might have considered this better than I gave them credit for:

  - If the number of applicants was close to or just above that of the number of tags available, then those who really want them will still buy them when they become available later in the summer and WDFW doesn't loose any more money than usual to unsold tags.  Those who apply for MS just as a backup plan for not drawing in other special hunts will proceed as they would normally do anyway, and will have no effect on sales proceeds of hunters who just want the MS tag.
   - granting a second point for "inconvenience" due to the bad draw for the MS tag does absolutely nothing for hunters in next year's drawing, as the success rate for the MS tag is almost 100% anyways, and (as demonstrated in this thread earlier) a second point has almost no effect in increasing the chances of drawing.