Poll- non magnifying scopes on muzzle loaders?

[Oh Mah]

you gave all the info and i told you what it was.the rifle doesnt matter except the length and that dont change much in this.

[Mr Mykiss]

"Effective range" arguments always bother me. My effective range is 90 yards regardless of the weapon, actually it's a little less with my rifle.

[Oh Mah]

he lobbed a bullet across a canyon and hit the bullseye.Cool.remember how i said some hunters would do it even if they didnt have a scope?dont you think others might?Maybe others cant thread the eye at 380 like your friend so maybe a scope would help the hunters that will try,shouldn't but do.

[BULLBLASTER]

you gave all the info and i told you what it was.the rifle doesnt matter except the length and that dont change much in this.

It's truly amazing you can know the exact details of a shot taken by someone you don't personally know years ago down to bullet bc and muzzle velocity. Impressive.

[Karl Blanchard]

he lobbed a bullet across a canyon and hit the bullseye.Cool.remember how i said some hunters would do it even if they didnt have a scope?dont you think others might?Maybe others cant thread the eye at 380 like your friend so maybe a scope would help the hunters that will try,shouldn't but do.

You completely cherry picked that experience.  He doesn't just lob rounds at 380 across canyons at animals.  That buck was wounded and needed to be put down as fast as possible.  Guys in Utah and and other states are shooting scoped muzzleloaders much farther than that.  Youtube long range muzzleloaders and see what they can do when modernized.  Hence the reason we would 100% lose days in the field if we allowed moder optics.

[Oh Mah]

you gave all the info and i told you what it was.the rifle doesnt matter except the length and that dont change much in this.

It's truly amazing you can know the exact details of a shot taken by someone you don't personally know years ago down to bullet bc and muzzle velocity. Impressive.

Are you being serious here.BLRman said 100 grains of fff,300 grain slug. everything is here.  I gave it the best bc in the book. its all here all the info needed. 

[Karl Blanchard]

you gave all the info and i told you what it was.the rifle doesnt matter except the length and that dont change much in this.

It's truly amazing you can know the exact details of a shot taken by someone you don't personally know years ago down to bullet bc and muzzle velocity. Impressive.

right.  And without knowing what the gun even was.  Could have been a 30" green mountain barrel

[Karl Blanchard]

you gave all the info and i told you what it was.the rifle doesnt matter except the length and that dont change much in this.

It's truly amazing you can know the exact details of a shot taken by someone you don't personally know years ago down to bullet bc and muzzle velocity. Impressive.

Are you being serious here.BLRman said 100 grains of fff,300 grain slug. everything is here.  I gave it the best bc in the book. its all here all the info needed. 

like I said before, numbers don't kill animals, bullets do.  Doesn't matter what your calculator says, that bullet ran the depth of that deer and flattened him!  Crushing bone along the way.  1 dead deer, that's the only number that matters

[Oh Mah]

environmental? now i have seen it all im done.

[BULLBLASTER]

environmental? now i have seen it all im done.

Yes sir. Ambient air conditions. Air pressure, temperature etc. it all impacts it.

[Karl Blanchard]

environmental? now i have seen it all im done.

  yeah temp barometric pressure.  Those little guys

[Karl Blanchard]

It's why we TRUE trajectories out to distance.  So we can shoot accurately

[BULLBLASTER]

This thread has really gotten off course. My apologies to the op. 

[Karl Blanchard]

This thread has really gotten off course. My apologies to the op. 

dont.  He made me listen to John Denver at the Northwest Mountain Challenge!  He deserves all the derailing we can muster

[Oh Mah]

environmental? now i have seen it all im done.

  yeah temp barometric pressure.  Those little guys

yeah believe me when i say i know these little things.i gave you the best anything less than what i gave only makes it worse for your story..you did say what the weather was like by the way.