Toyota Deisel

[bullfisher]

A well built streetable 302 would probably weight less and start at 150 hp/250ft lbs around 2500 rpm and can roll up to 275hp / 350ft lbs.. Better yet no high pressure pumps injectors and all the other ticky tacky dieseljunk to fail. Also, if you went injected you'd have a nice smooth power band without all the vibration, lag and low hp at high rpm when needed...

Diesels and bushy beards are just popular right now.

wow......

[Happy Gilmore]

A well built streetable 302 would probably weight less and start at 150 hp/250ft lbs around 2500 rpm and can roll up to 275hp / 350ft lbs.. Better yet no high pressure pumps injectors and all the other ticky tacky dieseljunk to fail. Also, if you went injected you'd have a nice smooth power band without all the vibration, lag and low hp at high rpm when needed...

Diesels and bushy beards are just popular right now.

wow......

Well built, not crazy build. Talk about a weight ratio. If your diesel is for a crawler, weight is a important. Don't neglect the transmission which goes behind it either. I didn't see a single diesel powered sand / desert racing truck. Lots of aluminum and turbos.

[Night goat]

A well built streetable 302 would probably weight less and start at 150 hp/250ft lbs around 2500 rpm and can roll up to 275hp / 350ft lbs.. Better yet no high pressure pumps injectors and all the other ticky tacky dieseljunk to fail. Also, if you went injected you'd have a nice smooth power band without all the vibration, lag and low hp at high rpm when needed...

Diesels and bushy beards are just popular right now.

Must be a troll.... That's just too outrageous to actually take seriously.

But just in case...

....I'm a diesel mechanic, but what do I know.

A diesel will get 2x-8x the fuel economy of a gas engine, especially a torque-y low rpm, with a proper regear, matched to the engine and tire size, a properly geared diesel will drag your 5.0 (obviously a Ford guy) backwards and up hills all day long while that gasser small block just will spin tires and make alot of noise. The reality is that because of the nature of diesel engines (the most reliable engines in the world btw), you can take a significant drop in horsepower and still have an engine pump out plenty of torque, while having amazing milage, and again, with a regear, you will be able to crawl over anything at basically idle and still get 25-30mpg highway


Butttttt

Just for fun, let's compare apples to apples

5.0L Ford 302, and the new Cummins 5.0L diesel
Fast Specs

Engine: Cummins ISV5.0
Displacement: 5.0L
Bore and Stroke: 94 mm x 90 mm
Cylinders: 90-degree V-8
Block: Compacted graphite iron
Heads: Aluminum
Pistons: Aluminum
Valvetrain: DOHC, four valves per cylinder
Horsepower: 275 hp @ 3,200 rpm
Torque:  560 lb-ft @ 1,600 rpm
Induction: Single-wastegated variable-geometry Cummins Turbo Technologies turbocharger
Fuel System: High-pressure common-rail, Bosch CP4.2 injection pump, piezo injectors
Peak Injection Pressure: 29,000 psi
Emissions Equipment: EGR, DPF, SCR
Engine Dry Weight: 804 pounds
Aftertreatment System Weight: 95 pounds
 

Now for the Ford, and I chose the new 5.0 out of the new mustang, which is a mild factory performance motor

Base Engine Size:   5.0 L
Base Engine Type:   Gas
Cam Type:   Double overhead cam (DOHC)
Cylinders:   V8
Horsepower:   435 hp @ 6500 rpm
Torque:   400 ft-lbs. @ 4250 rpm
Turning Circle:   37.8 ft.
Valve Timing:   Variable
Valves:   32
And I figure a dressed small block with pumps and manifolds and whatnot, ready to drop in, probably weighs around 475-550lbs



My point is that the Ford 5.0 has to make 435 horsepower to create that 400some ft/lbs at 4000+ rpm, where the diesel makes 275 horsepower and 560 ft/lbs at 1600rpm, basically the Cummins makes 4x the torque at 4x less rpm, granted the 300lbs weight difference, it kinda cancels out the weight trade-off

So

What's the more powerful engine?

[bullfisher]

A well built streetable 302 would probably weight less and start at 150 hp/250ft lbs around 2500 rpm and can roll up to 275hp / 350ft lbs.. Better yet no high pressure pumps injectors and all the other ticky tacky dieseljunk to fail. Also, if you went injected you'd have a nice smooth power band without all the vibration, lag and low hp at high rpm when needed...

Diesels and bushy beards are just popular right now.

wow......

Well built, not crazy build. Talk about a weight ratio. If your diesel is for a crawler, weight is a important. Don't neglect the transmission which goes behind it either. I didn't see a single diesel powered sand / desert racing truck. Lots of aluminum and turbos.

We are getting off topic here, but for reality sake remember this. There are no gas powered big rigs, no gas powered heavy equipment or machinery and its not that way because beards and diesels are in right now. It's because they can burn less fuel to achieve more torque at a lower rpm, thus drastically increasing  the life span of the motor. They are also notoriously simpler in design. The 5.9l cummins has about 200 fewer moving parts.
A light, snappy sand rail deserves a gas motor. And there is a place for the 5.0l. But saying they have more power and less maintanance than a diesel of equal size is opposite of the truth.

[Happy Gilmore]

A well built streetable 302 would probably weight less and start at 150 hp/250ft lbs around 2500 rpm and can roll up to 275hp / 350ft lbs.. Better yet no high pressure pumps injectors and all the other ticky tacky dieseljunk to fail. Also, if you went injected you'd have a nice smooth power band without all the vibration, lag and low hp at high rpm when needed...

Diesels and bushy beards are just popular right now.

Must be a troll.... That's just too outrageous to actually take seriously.

But just in case...

....I'm a diesel mechanic, but what do I know.

A diesel will get 2x-8x the fuel economy of a gas engine, especially a torque-y low rpm, with a proper regear, matched to the engine and tire size, a properly geared diesel will drag your 5.0 (obviously a Ford guy) backwards and up hills all day long while that gasser small block just will spin tires and make alot of noise. The reality is that because of the nature of diesel engines (the most reliable engines in the world btw), you can take a significant drop in horsepower and still have an engine pump out plenty of torque, while having amazing milage, and again, with a regear, you will be able to crawl over anything at basically idle and still get 25-30mpg highway


Butttttt

Just for fun, let's compare apples to apples

5.0L Ford 302, and the new Cummins 5.0L diesel
Fast Specs

Engine: Cummins ISV5.0
Displacement: 5.0L
Bore and Stroke: 94 mm x 90 mm
Cylinders: 90-degree V-8
Block: Compacted graphite iron
Heads: Aluminum
Pistons: Aluminum
Valvetrain: DOHC, four valves per cylinder
Horsepower: 275 hp @ 3,200 rpm
Torque:  560 lb-ft @ 1,600 rpm
Induction: Single-wastegated variable-geometry Cummins Turbo Technologies turbocharger
Fuel System: High-pressure common-rail, Bosch CP4.2 injection pump, piezo injectors
Peak Injection Pressure: 29,000 psi
Emissions Equipment: EGR, DPF, SCR
Engine Dry Weight: 804 pounds
Aftertreatment System Weight: 95 pounds
 

Now for the Ford, and I chose the new 5.0 out of the new mustang, which is a mild factory performance motor

Base Engine Size:   5.0 L
Base Engine Type:   Gas
Cam Type:   Double overhead cam (DOHC)
Cylinders:   V8
Horsepower:   435 hp @ 6500 rpm
Torque:   400 ft-lbs. @ 4250 rpm
Turning Circle:   37.8 ft.
Valve Timing:   Variable
Valves:   32
And I figure a dressed small block with pumps and manifolds and whatnot, ready to drop in, probably weighs around 475-550lbs



My point is that the Ford 5.0 has to make 435 horsepower to create that 400some ft/lbs at 4000+ rpm, where the diesel makes 275 horsepower and 560 ft/lbs at 1600rpm, basically the Cummins makes 4x the torque at 4x less rpm, granted the 300lbs weight difference, it kinda cancels out the weight trade-off

So

What's the more powerful engine?

We were comparing a old swap out motor I thought? Not new. And a 5 cylinder was mentioned. Now, simplicity of install and operation on a 4x4 being considered, no major electronics, computers, wiring harnesses etc...and price. You can build a cheap 302, normally aspired high power motor cheap. To buy a running diesel with turbo(let alone amodern block, turbo, pumps, computer etc) its going to be a $10,000 engine from your specs. I know some guys who build gas ford motors for $10k that wouldn't be fit for anything but a small tire drag car.

[Happy Gilmore]

Just looking at various competition rigs, rock crawlers, rails, desert race trucks and anything racing driven, diesels aren't terribly prevalent except for custom rigs. Commercial applications, low rpm or constant rpm use on ships, excavators, tractors, semis, absolutely.

[Happy Gilmore]

Did a little searching on the webs. A ford 289/302 weights about 460lbs. A Cummins 5.7L weights about 1,100lbs. That's some consideration to make on how to balance that weight if you are swapping into something like a jeep, crawler or, mud buggy. Diesel pickups are all nose heavy as hell and get stuck easy. Adding 600lbs over stock out up front on any rig not made for that would make for a tweeky set up no matter what you use it for.

[Special T]

 Mercedes In 1978, the OM617.950 was mated with the Mercedes-Benz W116 to produce the North American market-only 300SD, the world's first production turbodiesel sedan. Power originally was 111 hp / 82 kW @ 4200 rpm, torque 228 nm @ 2400 rpm. From October 1979 - 121 hp / 89 kW @ 4350 rpm, torque 230 nm @ 2400 rpm.[4]

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[Happy Gilmore]

Mercedes In 1978, the OM617.950 was mated with the Mercedes-Benz W116 to produce the North American market-only 300SD, the world's first production turbodiesel sedan. Power originally was 111 hp / 82 kW @ 4200 rpm, torque 228 nm @ 2400 rpm. From October 1979 - 121 hp / 89 kW @ 4350 rpm, torque 230 nm @ 2400 rpm.[4]

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Performance tuner parts available? Never seen a hot rod Mercedes haha 😊 

[Special T]

I don't really know but I've seen a bunch of people using this motor for conversonions in jeep Wranglers and Cherokees

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[bullfisher]

I've always wanted to put the little 4cyl 3.9 cummins in something. I don't know why, it just intrests me.
This thing is hilarious!

[Mudman]

Oil burners are KING!  Its that simple.  Gas eng are great but don't expect them to compare for industrial use.

[Happy Gilmore]

Oil burners are KING!  Its that simple.  Gas eng are great but don't expect them to compare for industrial use.

Absolutely never argue that at all. I watched some show where they put a 4 banger cat motor in something. Didn't look like it was moving fast but, put a big cloud of black smoke up for sure. The hilux v-8 sound pretty cool. Lots of cool videos of guys who have them built up down under.