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Re: Idaho F&G Proposal-Outlaw Trail Cameras
« Reply #390 on: July 12, 2017, 10:18:57 AM »
What's the difference if I text you a pic of a deer while we're hunting or a camera does. It's all electronic communication isn't it?

Difference is you're not going to be in the woods 24/7 and in multiple places at once like cams can be.

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Re: Idaho F&G Proposal-Outlaw Trail Cameras
« Reply #391 on: July 12, 2017, 10:34:19 AM »
I have been waiting for the game departments to say no cameras in the wilderness due to being a mechanical device. Not sure of  how they determine whats mechanical or not. I do know the FS told me no coma-longs in the wilderness a few yrs back. I had to laugh about that one.       

You already need a permit to film in the wilderness. I imagine it would be a pretty easy thing to add trail cams to that law

It's really no different than your position, you are not opposed to the things you use but want to ban the things other hunters use! :dunno:

I currently use trail cams. Difference between us is I see the potential problems and I'm willing to sacrifice a practice I currently use to avoid it. Are you?

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Re: Idaho F&G Proposal-Outlaw Trail Cameras
« Reply #392 on: July 12, 2017, 10:35:06 AM »
What's the difference if I text you a pic of a deer while we're hunting or a camera does. It's all electronic communication isn't it?

Difference is you're not going to be in the woods 24/7 and in multiple places at once like cams can be.

So you agree with banning them I take it?

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Re: Idaho F&G Proposal-Outlaw Trail Cameras
« Reply #393 on: July 12, 2017, 11:18:06 AM »
If that gets passed, where will it end. Range finders, dialing in your scope and isnt a rifle a mechanical thing. I say fight hard on not letting them get there foot in the door !!! We are already living by to many rules and regulations. And yes I am anti-gov !!!
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Re: Idaho F&G Proposal-Outlaw Trail Cameras
« Reply #394 on: July 12, 2017, 11:30:10 AM »
If that gets passed, where will it end. Range finders, dialing in your scope and isnt a rifle a mechanical thing. I say fight hard on not letting them get there foot in the door !!! We are already living by to many rules and regulations. And yes I am anti-gov !!!
:yeah:, if they ban them here, I'm going to hang even more of them!   This is too far of a reach, bunch of BS,
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Re: Idaho F&G Proposal-Outlaw Trail Cameras
« Reply #395 on: July 12, 2017, 11:46:03 AM »
I'm anti government as well. My support of this has nothing to do with support of over reaching legislation it has to go with maintaining fair chase in big game hunting as Ive stated form the beginning. Since it's a proven fact groups can not self regulate our game department needs to. Don't like it, change it. It's your right to petition our government for just about anything you'd like to try. Bitching online I know is way less work though...

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Re: Idaho F&G Proposal-Outlaw Trail Cameras
« Reply #396 on: July 12, 2017, 12:24:38 PM »
What's the difference if I text you a pic of a deer while we're hunting or a camera does. It's all electronic communication isn't it?

Difference is you're not going to be in the woods 24/7 and in multiple places at once like cams can be.

So you agree with banning them I take it?

Is that what I said? You posed a question, I replied.

I'm not against TCs at all. I would be against using drones to fly around to find game.

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Re: Idaho F&G Proposal-Outlaw Trail Cameras
« Reply #397 on: July 12, 2017, 01:10:38 PM »
Gottcha, your right that is the difference. Didn't realize you were just pointing out the obvious. My statement was aimed more at the ethics similarities between  the two and not really the mechanics

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Re: Idaho F&G Proposal-Outlaw Trail Cameras
« Reply #398 on: July 13, 2017, 07:52:54 AM »
I have been waiting for the game departments to say no cameras in the wilderness due to being a mechanical device. Not sure of  how they determine whats mechanical or not. I do know the FS told me no coma-longs in the wilderness a few yrs back. I had to laugh about that one.       

You already need a permit to film in the wilderness. I imagine it would be a pretty easy thing to add trail cams to that law

It's really no different than your position, you are not opposed to the things you use but want to ban the things other hunters use! :dunno:

I currently use trail cams. Difference between us is I see the potential problems and I'm willing to sacrifice a practice I currently use to avoid it. Are you?

The difference I see between us is that I don't think we should ban any more items than necessary. Please see my signature and think about it, unless there is a biological reason or more obvious reasons that harm will actually be done to hunting I generally do not support banning anything. Every time something is banned someone loses, if we all support banning different items pretty soon everyone will be left wondering why there are so many laws, why so many methods are outlawed, and why we have no freedom of choice! READ MY SIGNATURE AND THINK ABOUT IT!

(nothing personal just a difference of opinion on this subject, we can certainly agree to disagree)
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Re: Idaho F&G Proposal-Outlaw Trail Cameras
« Reply #399 on: July 13, 2017, 08:01:28 AM »
I have been waiting for the game departments to say no cameras in the wilderness due to being a mechanical device. Not sure of  how they determine whats mechanical or not. I do know the FS told me no coma-longs in the wilderness a few yrs back. I had to laugh about that one.       

You already can't leave stuff unattended for more than 24 hours, so their use is already greatly curtailed.

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Re: Idaho F&G Proposal-Outlaw Trail Cameras
« Reply #400 on: July 13, 2017, 08:06:46 AM »
If I had to vote, I would let the existing use go on and restrict the use of cameras that transmit to outside the hunting season.  That is, you can use them to scout, but not to hunt.  My reasoning is that by transmitting pictures, it essentially allows a hunter to be at two or more places at once.  It is similar to the drone argument, it allows the hunter to get to get a view of someplace without actually having to get there.  This is very different in my mind from humping up to a high point and glassing because you have done the work to get that view and are simply using glass which has a long historical precedence. 

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Re: Idaho F&G Proposal-Outlaw Trail Cameras
« Reply #401 on: July 13, 2017, 08:27:35 AM »
If I had to vote, I would let the existing use go on and restrict the use of cameras that transmit to outside the hunting season.  That is, you can use them to scout, but not to hunt.  My reasoning is that by transmitting pictures, it essentially allows a hunter to be at two or more places at once. It is similar to the drone argument, it allows the hunter to get to get a view of someplace without actually having to get there.  This is very different in my mind from humping up to a high point and glassing because you have done the work to get that view and are simply using glass which has a long historical precedence.
But for the bolded, there are outfits that provide multiple guides and game cams/scouting for a single client.  Some of those high rollers with gov tags wait around until the guides have scoured he woods and poured through all the photos. 

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Re: Idaho F&G Proposal-Outlaw Trail Cameras
« Reply #402 on: July 13, 2017, 08:35:08 AM »
If I had to vote, I would let the existing use go on and restrict the use of cameras that transmit to outside the hunting season.  That is, you can use them to scout, but not to hunt.  My reasoning is that by transmitting pictures, it essentially allows a hunter to be at two or more places at once.  It is similar to the drone argument, it allows the hunter to get to get a view of someplace without actually having to get there.  This is very different in my mind from humping up to a high point and glassing because you have done the work to get that view and are simply using glass which has a long historical precedence.

Perhaps you should actually use one to realistically get a sense of what advantage a cellular cam gives someone .  Sitting on a ridge in a well traveled game area and glassing a mile or two away with high powered spotting scopes also allows one to be in two palces as well.

The drone comparison is also not realistic.  One has to be reasonably close when using a drone.  Not so with cell cams.  I totally agree with Bearpaw and others that we hunbters tend to want to regulate away other's opportunity based on gut feelings and emotion.  Hey, I personally think long range shooting of game animals at 500-1000 yards is far worst than cams, cellular or otherwise, as far as taking animals that would otherwise live to see another day.  I also think it promotes a somewhat similar thought process to say sky busting in some hunters.  JMO
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Re: Idaho F&G Proposal-Outlaw Trail Cameras
« Reply #403 on: July 13, 2017, 08:38:24 AM »
If I had to vote, I would let the existing use go on and restrict the use of cameras that transmit to outside the hunting season.  That is, you can use them to scout, but not to hunt.  My reasoning is that by transmitting pictures, it essentially allows a hunter to be at two or more places at once. It is similar to the drone argument, it allows the hunter to get to get a view of someplace without actually having to get there.  This is very different in my mind from humping up to a high point and glassing because you have done the work to get that view and are simply using glass which has a long historical precedence.
But for the bolded, there are outfits that provide multiple guides and game cams/scouting for a single client.  Some of those high rollers with gov tags wait around until the guides have scoured he woods and poured through all the photos.

The cams, if used, may have allerted the guides to know an animal is in the area, but the cams by themselves don't sit on that targeted animal exact location for weeks prior to the shooter arriving.  That is what does the animal in.
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Re: Idaho F&G Proposal-Outlaw Trail Cameras
« Reply #404 on: July 13, 2017, 10:49:55 AM »
If I had to vote, I would let the existing use go on and restrict the use of cameras that transmit to outside the hunting season.  That is, you can use them to scout, but not to hunt.  My reasoning is that by transmitting pictures, it essentially allows a hunter to be at two or more places at once.  It is similar to the drone argument, it allows the hunter to get to get a view of someplace without actually having to get there.  This is very different in my mind from humping up to a high point and glassing because you have done the work to get that view and are simply using glass which has a long historical precedence.

Perhaps you should actually use one to realistically get a sense of what advantage a cellular cam gives someone .  Sitting on a ridge in a well traveled game area and glassing a mile or two away with high powered spotting scopes also allows one to be in two palces as well.

The drone comparison is also not realistic.  One has to be reasonably close when using a drone.  Not so with cell cams.  I totally agree with Bearpaw and others that we hunbters tend to want to regulate away other's opportunity based on gut feelings and emotion.  Hey, I personally think long range shooting of game animals at 500-1000 yards is far worst than cams, cellular or otherwise, as far as taking animals that would otherwise live to see another day.  I also think it promotes a somewhat similar thought process to say sky busting in some hunters.  JMO

Again it baffles me that you don't understand technology only advances, never the other way around. Today's cams maybe not the hugest issue. Next years...we bitch and bitch about public agencies being behind and having to catch up with problems in a reactive sense then when there proactive about legitimate oncerns in advancing technology you scream about what nazis they are.

Don't forget to put what state you're in when leaving comments on idahos website on this issue. Hopefully out of staters are not weighed as heavy in decision making

 


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