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Quote from: Pegasus on July 06, 2017, 03:19:41 PMQuote from: bigtex on July 06, 2017, 03:05:41 PMWhen I look at whether or not someone got an easy punishment or not I look at the maximum penalty for the charge vs. what they got.Illegally killing an elk in Oregon is a Class A Misdemeanor carrying up to a $6,250 criminal fine, up to 1 year in jail plus $1,500 in restitution for a "non-trophy elk" or $15,000 for a non-trophy elk. A judge can also impose a higher restitution if they'd likeSo, in this case if he were charged with killing the 24 elk (I actually remember seeing an article they only charged for 12..) he faced up to $150,000 in criminal fines, 24 years in jail and $36,000 in restitution (based off the non-trophy amount).In this case the individual received no criminal fine, no jail time, and $18,000 in restitution.Now I don't know the rancher, I'm sure none of us do. He may be your average rancher and a $18,000 restitution will definitely hurt him, he also could have a lot of money, I honestly don't know. But I will say that in terms of what he got vs. what he could've gotten he got off. The fact that he doesn't have to spend a day in jail is mind boggling. My position exactly. I am surprised as to the amount of posts here that think that his sentence was fair for killing 24 er 6 elk but I shouldn't be since this is the Left Coast Killing all those elk was not for self-preservation. You are right, he got off.I think it is all relative. Have you read "operation cody"? That guy got off. Don't get me wrong I wish this guy would have got more but he made a deal and didn't go to court. I could see him gettting even less if it went to trial. At least in Washington I could see him getting less.
Quote from: bigtex on July 06, 2017, 03:05:41 PMWhen I look at whether or not someone got an easy punishment or not I look at the maximum penalty for the charge vs. what they got.Illegally killing an elk in Oregon is a Class A Misdemeanor carrying up to a $6,250 criminal fine, up to 1 year in jail plus $1,500 in restitution for a "non-trophy elk" or $15,000 for a non-trophy elk. A judge can also impose a higher restitution if they'd likeSo, in this case if he were charged with killing the 24 elk (I actually remember seeing an article they only charged for 12..) he faced up to $150,000 in criminal fines, 24 years in jail and $36,000 in restitution (based off the non-trophy amount).In this case the individual received no criminal fine, no jail time, and $18,000 in restitution.Now I don't know the rancher, I'm sure none of us do. He may be your average rancher and a $18,000 restitution will definitely hurt him, he also could have a lot of money, I honestly don't know. But I will say that in terms of what he got vs. what he could've gotten he got off. The fact that he doesn't have to spend a day in jail is mind boggling. My position exactly. I am surprised as to the amount of posts here that think that his sentence was fair for killing 24 er 6 elk but I shouldn't be since this is the Left Coast Killing all those elk was not for self-preservation. You are right, he got off.
When I look at whether or not someone got an easy punishment or not I look at the maximum penalty for the charge vs. what they got.Illegally killing an elk in Oregon is a Class A Misdemeanor carrying up to a $6,250 criminal fine, up to 1 year in jail plus $1,500 in restitution for a "non-trophy elk" or $15,000 for a non-trophy elk. A judge can also impose a higher restitution if they'd likeSo, in this case if he were charged with killing the 24 elk (I actually remember seeing an article they only charged for 12..) he faced up to $150,000 in criminal fines, 24 years in jail and $36,000 in restitution (based off the non-trophy amount).In this case the individual received no criminal fine, no jail time, and $18,000 in restitution.Now I don't know the rancher, I'm sure none of us do. He may be your average rancher and a $18,000 restitution will definitely hurt him, he also could have a lot of money, I honestly don't know. But I will say that in terms of what he got vs. what he could've gotten he got off. The fact that he doesn't have to spend a day in jail is mind boggling.
Quote from: Boss .300 winmag on July 06, 2017, 04:47:02 PMHhhmmmm he has to pay $18000.00 plus all the feed he lost, and damage they did to his ranch. The guy that shot a trophy bull elk in a GMU that was closed for branched antler bull elk got off with nothing paid in restitution. The rancher didn't go unpunished. The poacher did though. How much damage was done to his ranch? You don't even know. Did this rancher let the general public hunt his land to cull the herd? I doubt it. How many of those 24 elk would be trophies? How close to his home did he shoot them? Who got all the meat, hides and heads? They should have at least forced him to post the equivalent of Washington's "Feel Free to Hunt" signs for the next twenty years and not exclude shooting right next to his residence.The point is neither the poacher nor the rancher should escape jail time. Its the law and should be enforced in court especially when one kills 24 6 elk. What's the sense in passing laws that no one enforces? Oh, we already know how that works out...
Hhhmmmm he has to pay $18000.00 plus all the feed he lost, and damage they did to his ranch. The guy that shot a trophy bull elk in a GMU that was closed for branched antler bull elk got off with nothing paid in restitution. The rancher didn't go unpunished. The poacher did though.
Quote from: Pegasus on July 06, 2017, 08:28:04 PMQuote from: Boss .300 winmag on July 06, 2017, 04:47:02 PMHhhmmmm he has to pay $18000.00 plus all the feed he lost, and damage they did to his ranch. The guy that shot a trophy bull elk in a GMU that was closed for branched antler bull elk got off with nothing paid in restitution. The rancher didn't go unpunished. The poacher did though. How much damage was done to his ranch? You don't even know. Did this rancher let the general public hunt his land to cull the herd? I doubt it. How many of those 24 elk would be trophies? How close to his home did he shoot them? Who got all the meat, hides and heads? They should have at least forced him to post the equivalent of Washington's "Feel Free to Hunt" signs for the next twenty years and not exclude shooting right next to his residence.The point is neither the poacher nor the rancher should escape jail time. Its the law and should be enforced in court especially when one kills 24 6 elk. What's the sense in passing laws that no one enforces? Oh, we already know how that works out...Why would he post Washington signs on his ranch in Oregon?