H-W POLICY: Tribal Hunting & Fishing Topics

[pianoman9701]

Good move Dale.

You are right the courts set the quotas.

I do think though that some tribal individuals go just a little over board in some respects.( running a net completely across a water way or several nets and the wastage of unwanted fish)

These I view as personal decisions by individuals and should be fair game for complaint. If the individual really cared about the resource they wouldn't do it. 
Of coarse their is poor decisions on both sides.

This is the type of discussions i support. Individuals are responsible for their actions, not an entire group/race/nation.

If the individual is to blame then blame them and vent, just don't expand on the vent and include others that had nothing to do with the individual in question..

You would say that. Kidding! Good move, Dale. 

[bearpaw]

Dale opened this thread thus it will be discussed

Dale opened this thread to explain how it was going to go moving forward.

Well then it should be locked to comment

It's open to comment, but if anyone wants to dwell on past problems we are not going to allow that to bring down the new direction of the forum. He was warned enough times before we took action.

To expand a little more on that and then I'll shut up, even the moderator team has varying opinions of tribal hunting. It's normal for people to not agree on topics, especially hunters, but we are able to communicate respectfully with each other on the issue, and we all agree that these discussions must be kept civil and it's important to not allow old heated topics to destroy the forum.

[Ghost Hunter]

Keep the the good work guys!  The chatter of change is echoing among some of the old guard and you may see some old faces popping back up

   I can think of a few I would like to see back.  Some, I have had the opportunity to meet in the field.  Glad to see the cleanup and direction HW has chosen to go.

[Russ McDonald]

The other day the NWTF and the WDFW are working together on updating the outdated turkey plan.  We are now also working with the Yakima tribe in helping with keeping birds at a healthy population.  I wish I new the guys name but I know he is with the tribe game department.  He is in the same boat as us in conservation and passing on the heritage of hunting.  I know there are a few bad apples like has been stated but I think the good really out weigh the bad.  Some people just don't look further then the bad.  I look forward to working with the tribe. 

[PlateauNDN]

 

[bearpaw]

Russ, I know some tribal members who are outstanding hunters and very good people. I would like to see the tribes and the state work out some of the differences. Our hunting and fishing opportunities could benefit if we could all work together. Unfortunately there are hard liners on both sides that don't want to see co-operation. A good example of positive efforts is SCI and the Yakamas working together to bring in antelope. I don't know if the state would have ever done that. Wolf hunting, it's possible the tribes will be the only ones who can manage wolves in this state.

[Russ McDonald]

Russ, I know some tribal members who are outstanding hunters and very good people. I would like to see the tribes and the state work out some of the differences. Our hunting and fishing opportunities could benefit if we could all work together. Unfortunately there are hard liners on both sides that don't want to see co-operation. A good example of positive efforts is SCI and the Yakamas working together to bring in antelope. I don't know if the state would have ever done that. Wolf hunting, it's possible the tribes will be the only ones who can manage wolves in this state.

I think the catalyst may be third parties like SCI, NWTF, or RMEF to get both parties to the table and talking.  I think it would be a great thing.

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[bearpaw]

Russ, I know some tribal members who are outstanding hunters and very good people. I would like to see the tribes and the state work out some of the differences. Our hunting and fishing opportunities could benefit if we could all work together. Unfortunately there are hard liners on both sides that don't want to see co-operation. A good example of positive efforts is SCI and the Yakamas working together to bring in antelope. I don't know if the state would have ever done that. Wolf hunting, it's possible the tribes will be the only ones who can manage wolves in this state.

I think the catalyst may be third parties like SCI, NWTF, or RMEF to get both parties to the table and talking.  I think it would be a great thing.

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Absolutely 

[Dan-o]

This is a GREAT move.

Thanks Dale and mod team.

Nobody deserves to be stereotyped.   

I consider Plat a friend I have yet to meet.    I loved getting perspective from Coastal Native. 
Both of these men took time to answer a fair amount of IMs from me when I had legit questions and the forum was "too hot" to ask publicly.

JD getting banned.......   Well, I consider him a friend I have met.   Many of you know how opinionated he is.   I know him as very decent and very giving in real life.  One of the most helpful human beings I've ever met.    But I get it.     (Dang it, JD, let the past go, get back on here when your ban expires, and don't feel like you need the last word when a mod tells you to let it go.....)

I really hated that we couldn't have civil discussion on this before without it deteriorating.   I Have learned A LOT about Native hunting rights from a couple guys on here.  And it was only trough civil discussion...... sometimes via PM when things got heated on the board but I wanted to learn a different perspective.

 

[bracer40]

Dale opened this thread thus it will be discussed

Dale opened this thread to explain how it was going to go moving forward.

Well then it should be locked to comment

It's open to comment, but if anyone wants to dwell on past problems we are not going to allow that to bring down the new direction of the forum. He was warned enough times before we took action.

Thank you!!

[cboom]

JD getting banned.......   Well, I consider him a friend I have met.   Many of you know how opinionated he is.   I know him as very decent and very giving in real life.  One of the most helpful human beings I've ever met.    But I get it.     (Dang it, JD, let the past go, get back on here when your ban expires, and don't feel like you need the last word when a mod tells you to let it go.....)

I think the guy you mentioned made his bed. He joined this forum for one reason, to trash the name of another person he felt did wrong without knowing all the facts. In fact this wasn't the only place he did this on. Google his user name name with the word forum and in seconds you will find many forums even based all the way to the east coast he joined just to talk about one man. Go to the second page of Google with that  same seach and all the different news paper comments he made start popping up. The topic I'm regarding to was  a well debated one, on this site alone. Lots of feelings and opinions were put out there. At the end of the day what needed to happen was to let our legal system work out. In this case it didn't go the way he wanted it to and he got very vile here and on many other forums. Heck, I don't know  for a fact if justice was served in that deal. I do know one guy that was involved and he said it was.

I been on this site for a decade come next year. Not once till this guy have I ever seen a person go on a personal crusade to attack a person like he did. Assuming there is more to it than we know? Only way it makes sense is has a personal vendetta against this guy from before.

Hope the new direction they are working on here works. Because this is a good forum with potential to be great!

[bearpaw]

JD getting banned.......   Well, I consider him a friend I have met.   Many of you know how opinionated he is.   I know him as very decent and very giving in real life.  One of the most helpful human beings I've ever met.    But I get it.     (Dang it, JD, let the past go, get back on here when your ban expires, and don't feel like you need the last word when a mod tells you to let it go.....)

I think the guy you mentioned made his bed. He joined this forum for one reason, to trash the name of another person he felt did wrong without knowing all the facts. In fact this wasn't the only place he did this on. Google his user name name with the word forum and in seconds you will find many forums even based all the way to the east coast he joined just to talk about one man. Go to the second page of Google with that  same seach and all the different news paper comments he made start popping up. The topic I'm regarding to was  a well debated one, on this site alone. Lots of feelings and opinions were put out there. At the end of the day what needed to happen was to let our legal system work out. In this case it didn't go the way he wanted it to and he got very vile here and on many other forums. Heck, I don't for a fact if justice was served in that deal. I do know one guy that was involved and he said it was.

I been on this site for a decade come next year. Not once till this guy have I ever seen a person go on a personal crusade to attack a person like he did. Assuming there is more to it than we know? Only way it makes sense is has a personal vendetta against this guy from before.

Hope the new direction they are working on here works. Because this is a good forum with potential to be great!

I want to remind everyone that one of the issues we are cleaning up is trashing other members. Please avoid posting comments that trash another member. If a member abuses the forum they will eventually be weeded out by their own actions, we don't need comments on the forum trashing them, that adds negativity to the atmosphere we are trying to improve.

[C-Money]

Glad to see these positive changes, Good going Admin team.

[Dan-o]

JD getting banned.......   Well, I consider him a friend I have met.   Many of you know how opinionated he is.   I know him as very decent and very giving in real life.  One of the most helpful human beings I've ever met.    But I get it.     (Dang it, JD, let the past go, get back on here when your ban expires, and don't feel like you need the last word when a mod tells you to let it go.....)

I think the guy you mentioned made his bed. He joined this forum for one reason, to trash the name of another person he felt did wrong without knowing all the facts. In fact this wasn't the only place he did this on. Google his user name name with the word forum and in seconds you will find many forums even based all the way to the east coast he joined just to talk about one man. Go to the second page of Google with that  same seach and all the different news paper comments he made start popping up. The topic I'm regarding to was  a well debated one, on this site alone. Lots of feelings and opinions were put out there. At the end of the day what needed to happen was to let our legal system work out. In this case it didn't go the way he wanted it to and he got very vile here and on many other forums. Heck, I don't for a fact if justice was served in that deal. I do know one guy that was involved and he said it was.

I been on this site for a decade come next year. Not once till this guy have I ever seen a person go on a personal crusade to attack a person like he did. Assuming there is more to it than we know? Only way it makes sense is has a personal vendetta against this guy from before.

Hope the new direction they are working on here works. Because this is a good forum with potential to be great!

I want to remind everyone that one of the issues we are cleaning up is trashing other members. Please avoid posting comments that trash another member. If a member abuses the forum they will eventually be weeded out by their own actions, we don't need comments on the forum trashing them, that adds negativity to the atmosphere we are trying to improve.

Again Bearpaw, thanks for running the best hunting forum out there.       

[Time Immemorial 1855]

That's the way it is. When a group wastes and takes advantage of the situation you are going to have others that dislike the favoritism.

Therein lies the issue. You are blaming all in a group for the actions of some. That's not right and what we are not gonna let happen here.

Yes thank you