I went through this last winter. All of the youth semi-auto shotguns still had too long of a length of pull. I was left with the choice to find and try to cut down an old wood stock, or go with a pump that had a fully adjustable stock that would fit all of my kids. I ended up with the pump and extra recoil. This is for turkeys. By the time I feel comfortable letting my kids swing on flying birds, they should fit a youth semi-auto.