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Idaho proposing shorter elk-hunting Season....
« on: March 11, 2009, 09:45:35 AM »
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March 11, 2009 in Outdoors, Idaho
Idaho proposing shorter elk-hunting season
Hard winter blamed for devastated herds
Becky Kramer
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Hunters might have fewer chances to bag an elk in the Idaho Panhandle next fall.

Wildlife managers are proposing shorter hunting seasons to allow elk herds to recover from the deep snow and frigid temperatures that led to high mortality rates last winter. Their goal is to reduce the cow elk harvest by 50 percent and the bull elk harvest by 15 percent.

That’s going to disappoint the 20,000 elk hunters who purchase tags in the region each year, acknowledged Jim Hayden, regional manager for the Idaho Department of Fish and Game. However, “we don’t have enough elk calves to replace hunters’ take unless we change the season,” he said.

Biologists expected high rates of winterkill. But they were still surprised by the small numbers of elk calves counted during recent aerial surveys.

Wildlife managers like to see a ratio of at least 30 calves per 100 cow elk, which provides a pool of younger animals to replace the elk that are hunted or die of other causes, Hayden said. Biologists counted only 12 calves per 100 cow elk during recent wildlife survey flights.

“We’ve got an issue,” Hayden told about 40 hunters during a Monday evening meeting.

Fish and Game officials are holding meetings around the region to discuss the proposed shorter elk season and other possible changes to big game hunts. The department is also suggesting a shorter doe season during fall deer hunts. Idaho’s Fish and Game Commission will decide when it meets in Boise on March 24-25.

Many in the audience Monday wondered how wolves are affecting the Panhandle’s elk population.

The harsh winter of 2007-’08 is the primary culprit behind the low elk calf numbers, Hayden said, though wolves were also a factor.

“We’re seeing lower calf ratios in every unit,” Hayden told the crowd. “Where we don’t have wolves, we’re in trouble. Where we have wolves, we’re in more trouble.”

At least 135 wolves live in the Panhandle, according to Fish and Game estimates. Thirteen wolf packs have been identified in the region, along with one suspected pack and other wolves that aren’t part of a pack.

Wolf numbers are highest south of Interstate 90, where their presence is influencing elk behavior.

During the aerial surveys in the St. Joe River drainage, Hayden spotted elk in groups of 100 or more – a defensive tactic for the herds. A wolf was watching one of the herds from about 75 yards away. Another herd of nearly 200 elk was bunched together across the ridge from five wolves.

“We’re also hearing from hunters that the elk aren’t bugling as much,” Hayden said.

No wonder, said Jack Finney, of Coeur d’Alene. One morning at dawn, he and his brother were using a bugle to call elk in a remote drainage along the St. Joe River. A pack of wolves started howling.

The St. Joe has definitely become wolf country, said Greg Frank, of Rathdrum, who hears howling and sees wolf tracks when he hunts there.

Finney supports this year’s rollback of the elk harvest. So does Darren Vanhorn, of Coeur d’Alene.

“I’d rather take my hit now for better hunting opportunities in the future,” Vanhorn said.

But Frank thinks the wolf predation factor needs more research. “We think the wolves are having a bigger impact on elk herds than they realize,” he said.

Interior Secretary Ken Salazar’s recent decision to remove wolves in the Northern Rockies from the endangered species list could lead to Idaho’s first public wolf hunt in decades. But if Salazar’s decision is challenged as expected, the hunt could be delayed while the courts decide the matter, Hayden said.

Becky Kramer can be reached at (208) 765-7122 or beckyk@spokesman.com

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Re: Idaho proposing shorter elk-hunting Season....
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2009, 09:49:21 AM »
Ive never had a problem with Idahos decisions,.we didnt have the wolf population when I lived there.sucks that will hurt some but all for the good

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Re: Idaho proposing shorter elk-hunting Season....
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2009, 09:57:42 AM »
I didn't get time to interject my thoughts on the article.  First off, I think the wolf population is higher than the 135 mentioned.  But I am glad to see that this is being addressed in some fashion.  With the addition of some proposed wolf tags, and maybe a few mild winters this might start to improve.  They also didn't mention in this article anything about the proposed decrease in over the counter tags for Idaho, which will also help this issue.  I think overall Idaho is looking to make some positive changes that will both reduce hunters, reduce the length of the cow season, take a few wolves with special permits, and we should start to see some positive results in elk population. 


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Re: Idaho proposing shorter elk-hunting Season....
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2009, 03:39:12 PM »
wolf tags are gonna be over the counter with a kill quota so it wont be special permit, they are cutting zone quotas and putting quotas on zones that have never had them not cutting total elk tags so the zones that still dont have quotas are gonna get hit hard, and i think this is necessary primarily because of the wolves not the winters but the idfg will say what they want. hopefully this works

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Re: Idaho proposing shorter elk-hunting Season....
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2009, 10:05:38 PM »
My brother and I archery hunted elk south of Avery in the St. Joe last year from Sept.10th to the 21st. In the first few days we started to hear a few scattered bugles, and each time we would here several wolves begin howling. In this drainage they were spread out over the whole valley.Whenever we would send out a bugle or cow call the wolves would start making their way toward us. This was not an isolated incident, as this scenario was repeated over and over again as we moved to different drainages many miles away!

One day we ran into a guy in a game dept. truck. When we asked him if he was a game biologist here to check on the elk, he said no. We proceeded to tell him about the obvious wolf problem, at which point he became very excited and I mean " kid in a toy store & daddy Santa came last night excited! " He kept asking if we had heard any yelping, cause this meant there were pups in the pack. He thought it was great that there were multiple packs in the area. He even went so far as to tell us that the wolves did not have a real adverse affect on the elk herds and that the vast majority of the elk died from winter kill. Needless to say my brother and I had to get as far away as possible from this idiot before we might start practicing the three S's on him (sh*t, shovel, and shut-up!) 
If the states of Idaho,Montana,Wyoming and soon enough Washington don't start letting us thin the wolves out the tree huggers won't have to worry about putting a stop to hunting. What am I saying? That was their plan from the beginning!

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